The BORSALINO BROTHERHOOD

[T Jones]

Rosati means rosé, pinkish. Rosado, in Spanish

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Thank you Max. That's more information for me. Would that be a model name?

 

[drmaxtejeda]

Thank you Max. That's more information for me. Would that be a model name?

I don't know... Is the ribbon pink? Or the liner?

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[T Jones]

I don't know... Is the ribbon pink? Or the liner?

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The hat, ribbon, and brim binding are black. There was no liner in the hat.

 

[Daniele Tanto]

Can anyone make any of this out? The embossment is worn. I can make out some of it out but not all of it.

Show me the whole hat, please
It could be made in 1998 and the size is 59 cm. so a 7 3/8 for US standard
Vanzina was an Italian hats producer bought in 1956 by Borsalino and for many years the two trade mark were on the market with a slightly different types of hats. Vanzina in the last fifty years were made in the same factory of Borsalino.
Rosati is a very famous bar in Piazza del Popolo in Rome and I presume it was the name of model.
About the black Borsalino the gifter play a little game with language "Culo Brutto" is bad ass in English

 

[T Jones]

Show me the whole hat, please
It could be made in 1998 and the size is 59 cm. so a 7 3/8 for US standard
Vanzina was an Italian hats producer bought in 1956 by Borsalino and for many years the two trade mark were on the market with a slightly different types of hats. Vanzina in the last fifty years were made in the same factory of Borsalino.
Rosati is a very famous bar in Piazza del Popolo in Rome and I presume it was the name of model.
About the black Borsalino the gifter play a little game with language "Culo Brutto" is bad ass in English

Thank you for the information, Daniele. Definitely interesting. I like learning the history of things like that. I was guessing that it was probably a later model hat. Here's a few pictures of the hat as received. I'll be posting more in the Conversion Corral when it's finished. It has 3 inch wide brim and a taller but very tapered open crown, somewhere between 5 3/4 - 6 inches tall. I already took it apart and it's on the block for a slight size up and to make the crown straight...

It has some nice detailing around the brim binding. That will remain on the hat. The original ribbon work will also go back on the hat...

I'm between a 7 1/4 and a 7 3/8...

On the head. You can really see how tapered the crown is in these next pics. I'll be changing that, though.

On the block. I believe that this is going to make a nice transformation when I'm finished...

Where I live, Rosati is the recognized name of a high end replacement window company.

Lol. Culo Brutto was the name I gave it, for "Butt Ugly".

 

[Daniele Tanto]

Thank you for the information, Daniele. Definitely interesting. I like learning the history of things like that. I was guessing that it was probably a later model hat. Here's a few pictures of the hat as received. I'll be posting more in the Conversion Corral when it's finished. It has 3 inch wide brim and a taller but very tapered open crown, somewhere between 5 3/4 - 6 inches tall. I already took it apart and it's on the block for a slight size up and to make the crown straight...

It is a sort of "cowboy" hat in an Italian way
I see the very interesting trimming on the brim and usually the felt even twenty years ago and even now produced in Alessandria is of good to excellent quality, so I think you will have pleasure to model a new hat.
As you know, for us Italian, black hats are the top of elegance and my suggestion is to have it shaped as an old thirties Borsalino as the one Max got it, but in this case you have to change the ribbon. I raccomended black

 

[drmaxtejeda]

Yup. I just googled it. Thanks Max. I appreciate your help and additional information. A fellow Lounger who wishes to remain anonymous sent me a Borsalino. It's my next hat project.

Ah! Interesting!

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[T Jones]

It is a sort of "cowboy" hat in an Italian way
I see the very interesting trimming on the brim and usually the felt even twenty years ago and even now produced in Alessandria is of good to excellent quality, so I think you will have pleasure to model a new hat.
As you know, for us Italian, black hats are the top of elegance and my suggestion is to have it shaped as an old thirties Borsalino as the one Max got it, but in this case you have to change the ribbon. I raccomended black

That's good information. Thank you, Daniele. I noticed the trimming too. I'll be leaving that, "as is", on the hat. I was fortunate enough that I didn't have to remove it for the reblocking. So it'll remain on the hat. I also noticed, like you pointed out, that the felt quality was very good on this hat, and you confirmed that for me. I'll be reusing the original black ribbon that was on the hat...(3/4 wide ribbon).

That's a very nice looking Borsalino that Max has. But, I've always wanted a thin ribbon Alessandria, (one of my elusive bucket list hats). If by some way, some how, I can ever get enough 3/8 black ribbon I would prefer to make the hat a thin ribbon Borsalino like the Alessandria that moon is wearing in this pic...

 

[Daniele Tanto]

That's good information. Thank you, Daniele. I noticed the trimming too. I'll be leaving that as is on the hat. I was fortunate enough that I didn't have to remove it for the reblocking. So it'll remain on the hat. I also noticed, like you pointed out, that the felt quality was very good on this hat, and you confirmed that for me. I'll be reusing the original black ribbon that was on the hat...(3/4 wide ribbon).

That's a very nice looking Borsalino that Max has. But, I've always wanted a thin ribbon Alessandria, (one of my elusive bucket list hats). If by some way, some how, I can ever get enough 3/8 black ribbon I would prefer to make the hat a thin ribbon Borsalino like the Alessandria that moon is wearing in this pic...

Next week I can send you some pictures of a black Alessandria, I have in a box, maybe it could help you

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[T Jones]

Next week I can send you some pictures of a black Alessandria, I have in a box, maybe it could help you

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Yes! Definitely! I'd love to see them. I'd like to see some pics from different angles. Thank you, Daniele.

 

[T Jones]

My Borsalino is off the block and the crown has been successfully reconfigured with a straight sided profile. Here are the before and after pics of the different crown shapes. I should have this finished within the next few days. I'll put more in the Conversion Corral later. This is going to make a nice hat...ribbon isn't attached yet.

 

[AbbaDatDeHat]

So sweet Terry!! You are gonna have a hat “too die for”!!
If this one doesn’t make you love a black hat...nothing will.
B

 

[T Jones]

So sweet Terry!! You are gonna have a hat “too die for”!!
If this one doesn’t make you love a black hat...nothing will.
B

Thank you buddy. I'm definitely anxious to see how it comes out!

 

[drmaxtejeda]

That's good information. Thank you, Daniele. I noticed the trimming too. I'll be leaving that as is on the hat. I was fortunate enough that I didn't have to remove it for the reblocking. So it'll remain on the hat. I also noticed, like you pointed out, that the felt quality was very good on this hat, and you confirmed that for me. I'll be reusing the original black ribbon that was on the hat...(3/4 wide ribbon).

That's a very nice looking Borsalino that Max has. But, I've always wanted a thin ribbon Alessandria, (one of my elusive bucket list hats). If by some way, some how, I can ever get enough 3/8 black ribbon I would prefer to make the hat a thin ribbon Borsalino like the Alessandria that moon is wearing in this pic...

I have these two from Moon

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[T Jones]

I have these two from Moon

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Nice! I've been wanting a thin ribbon Borsa for a good while now. Along with a few other vintage hats I've been wanting that's been on my Bucket List, too. With the Black Borsa I'm working on maybe I can make my own version of one if I can find some black 3/8 ribbon.

 

[Eelephant]

saw this thread, and just wanted to tell a quick story, a sad story, to be sure, but quick!

Was in Italy this past summer, and stumbled across a borsalino hat store. Needless to say, I was pretty pumped to check out the hats, and maybe go back home to the states with a sharp, new Borsalino from Italy... I don't know much about Borsalino, however, except the name, and since I usually pretty much only wear upturned stingies, I was a little like a fish out of water in the store. The problem? The store employee CLEARLY couldnt care less if I bought a hat in his store. He actually seemed irritated that I had the nerve to be standing in his completely empty store.... sadly, this made me feel rather stupid and awkward, so I left without a hat that day. I don't know, maybe he just didn't like tourists. Unfortunate.

 

[drmaxtejeda]

Thanks Max. Any idea what all of that means to the hat? Is it a model name, that you know of?

Google Translate: "Vanzina, Reistered Trademark".

Anyway, it's my next hat project. Anything original to the hat that I can reuse will go back on it.

Look, Terry, this is a Vanzina that Daniele sent me. "Styled by Borsalino".
The felt feels the same as a Marque Grand Luxe's. Soft as a horse's nose, as Bowen says.
And look at that liner!

I could probably pass for an Italian at Leonardo da Vinci airport with this hat.
Thanks again, Daniele.

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[T Jones]

Look, Terry, this is a Vanzina that Daniele sent me. "Styled by Borsalino".
The felt feels the same as a Marque Grand Luxe's. Soft as a horse's nose, as Bowen says.
And look at that liner!

I could probably pass for an Italian at Leonardo da Vinci airport with this hat.
Thanks again, Daniele.

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Nice! Mine is missing the liner. I like the inside of your hat. That's a really good looking liner and the embossing on your sweat is legible.

 

[drmaxtejeda]

saw this thread, and just wanted to tell a quick story, a sad story, to be sure, but quick!

Was in Italy this past summer, and stumbled across a borsalino hat store. Needless to say, I was pretty pumped to check out the hats, and maybe go back home to the states with a sharp, new Borsalino from Italy... I don't know much about Borsalino, however, except the name, and since I usually pretty much only wear upturned stingies, I was a little like a fish out of water in the store. The problem? The store employee CLEARLY couldnt care less if I bought a hat in his store. He actually seemed irritated that I had the nerve to be standing in his completely empty store.... sadly, this made me feel rather stupid and awkward, so I left without a hat that day. I don't know, maybe he just didn't like tourists. Unfortunate.

When I went to Italy, most people would either ignore me or be rude to me when I spoke English to them. When I spoke Spanish, first they got this kind of intrigued look on their faces, like "I can't believe I am understanding this guy", and then they were nice.
The guy in the information booth in Milan airport told me he didn't know where American Airlines booth was when I asked him in English, and then helped my wife to carry our luggage to get there because she asked him in Spanish while I was finding it.
Most Italians don't like American tourists, that's the truth.

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[Daniele Tanto]

saw this thread, and just wanted to tell a quick story, a sad story, to be sure, but quick!

Was in Italy this past summer, and stumbled across a borsalino hat store. Needless to say, I was pretty pumped to check out the hats, and maybe go back home to the states with a sharp, new Borsalino from Italy... I don't know much about Borsalino, however, except the name, and since I usually pretty much only wear upturned stingies, I was a little like a fish out of water in the store. The problem? The store employee CLEARLY couldnt care less if I bought a hat in his store. He actually seemed irritated that I had the nerve to be standing in his completely empty store.... sadly, this made me feel rather stupid and awkward, so I left without a hat that day. I don't know, maybe he just didn't like tourists. Unfortunate.

When I went to Italy, most people would either ignore me or be rude to me when I spoke English to them. When I spoke Spanish, first they got this kind of intrigued look on their faces, like "I can't believe I am understanding this guy", and then they were nice.
The guy in the information booth in Milan airport told me he didn't know where American Airlines booth was when I asked him in English, and then helped my wife to carry our luggage to get there because she asked him in Spanish while I was finding it.
Most Italians don't like American tourists, that's the truth.

There are no excuses for Italians who behave badly with tourists of any nationality.
Then there are some aspects of tourism in Italy that should be debated without prejudice and without hesitation. I believe this is not the right place, but generalizing is not a good thing.
Only an advice said with a smile, knowing it to be a great truth: when you are in Italy try to speak a few words of Italian, try to learn a few words and you will see the attitude of Italians change. Remember that it is not written anywhere that an Italian should speak English and all the tourists languages at his home and often this is totally ignored by tourists. This said with anothe smile by an Italian who speaks well foreign languages and lives in one of the most touristic cities in Italy