The BORSALINO BROTHERHOOD

[jeffgarf]

I'm reposting the discussion here because it's relevant to this thread.
A thousand assumptions are a surefire way to get confused without actually having the hats in question. Let's start with the current situation: Borsalino is a fashion manufacturer, making hats suited to contemporary times. Before the current situation, Borsalino produced millions of hats like other Italian hatters. Among them are beautiful, average, and low-quality models, regardless of the period, because Borsalino has always aimed to be present in every price range except the lowest. It has made quality and style its priority and has maintained this through thick and thin to this day, taking into account that the hat market has disappeared. We chase relics and objects from a past that is unlikely to return. It's perfectly useless to make assumptions and report the opinions of users, retailers, and friends who have certain stereotypes about Borsalino. Buy its antique, modern, and contemporary hats and make your own assessments. Over the years, I've spent time buying hats, reading books, newspapers from the golden age of hats, and treatises on hat making, trying to understand their manufacturing, their strengths, and weaknesses. Speculation without the hats at hand is a completely pointless exercise

Which was sort of my point.

 

[AbbaDatDeHat]

I'm reposting the discussion here because it's relevant to this thread.
A thousand assumptions are a surefire way to get confused without actually having the hats in question. Let's start with the current situation: Borsalino is a fashion manufacturer, making hats suited to contemporary times. Before the current situation, Borsalino produced millions of hats like other Italian hatters. Among them are beautiful, average, and low-quality models, regardless of the period, because Borsalino has always aimed to be present in every price range except the lowest. It has made quality and style its priority and has maintained this through thick and thin to this day, taking into account that the hat market has disappeared. We chase relics and objects from a past that is unlikely to return. It's perfectly useless to make assumptions and report the opinions of users, retailers, and friends who have certain stereotypes about Borsalino. Buy its antique, modern, and contemporary hats and make your own assessments. Over the years, I've spent time buying hats, reading books, newspapers from the golden age of hats, and treatises on hat making, trying to understand their manufacturing, their strengths, and weaknesses. Speculation without the hats at hand is a completely pointless exercise

“It's perfectly useless to make assumptions and report the opinions of users, retailers, and friends who have certain stereotypes about Borsalino.”

“Speculation without the hats at hand is a completely pointless exercise.”

Amen Daniele and thank you!

I’ll add:
Repeating a theory(opinion) often enough unchallenged does not turn it to fact.
I think we are seeing that here more often. But that’s another topic.
B

 

[Daniele Tanto]

Amen Daniele and thank you!

I’ll add:
Repeating a theory(opinion) often enough unchallenged does not turn it to fact.
I think we are seeing that here more often. But that’s another topic.
B

Thank you so much, Abba.
I've been following FL for years, and I'm very happy with it.
I've always aimed to broaden my knowledge of hats.
They're an endangered species.
Lately, I've become a little bored by this lack of willingness to discuss hats with evidence and knowledge.
I often feel like it's only important to showcase this great, low-cost and extremely rare marvel, and then any random thoughts or suggestions are allowed.
I'm sorry, but a little effort in finding something relevant is often lacking.
And, I might add, it's a bit simplistic to single out those who have worked hard to answer questions of common interest, without reading what's been researched and written about them here on FL.

 

[wsmontana]

Here is a Peluche Argento Elan Bayer Borsalino with a trolly cord and a shark gill ribbon.

The felt is very soft, thick, and plush. There is little to no stiffener in the felt so it rolls up like a blanket.

I thought the definitions of the Spanish word "peluche" were both on
point:

Stuffed Toy/Plushie:
This is the most common meaning, referring to a toy filled with soft material and covered in plush fabric, like a stuffed animal or a cuddly toy.

Plush Fabric:
"Peluche" can also refer to the material itself, a soft, luxurious fabric with a long, dense pile, which is often used for making toys, upholstery, and other decorative items.

“Argento” is Italian for “silver” which is also on point.

Eulan Bayer is an anti-moth treatment as has been discussed above.

 

[steur]

Here is a Peluche Argento Elan Bayer Borsalino with a trolly cord and a shark gill ribbon.

The felt is very soft, thick, and plush. There is little to no stiffener in the felt so it rolls up like a blanket.

I thought the definitions of the Spanish word "peluche" were both on
point:

Stuffed Toy/Plushie:
This is the most common meaning, referring to a toy filled with soft material and covered in plush fabric, like a stuffed animal or a cuddly toy.

Plush Fabric:
"Peluche" can also refer to the material itself, a soft, luxurious fabric with a long, dense pile, which is often used for making toys, upholstery, and other decorative items.

“Argento” is Italian for “silver” which is also on point.

Eulan Bayer is an anti-moth treatment as has been discussed above.

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That is a beauty; great felt and generous proportions. Cool find!

 

[wsmontana]

That is a beauty; great felt and generous proportions. Cool find!

Thanks Stefan!

 

[milandro]

I have a Borsalino " Mula" homburg in size 4 ( 55cm) , there is a label with a date 9 July 1956 but I don't know what it means

It is way too small for me and so I have put it for sale but I like to share the pictures to the community here

 

[Pellie]

I have a Borsalino " Mula" homburg in size 4 ( 55cm) , there is a label with a date 9 July 1956 but I don't know what it means

It is way too small for me and so I have put it for sale but I like to share the pictures to the community here

Oh is that yours on MP ;-)

 

[milandro]

yes, it is

 

[steur]

I have a Borsalino " Mula" homburg in size 4 ( 55cm) , there is a label with a date 9 July 1956 but I don't know what it means

It is way too small for me and so I have put it for sale but I like to share the pictures to the community here

Very interesting piece. We know the Mula 41 model as a homburg, but it doesn't look like this one ever had a brim binding. The crown patch is very cool; never seen that before. Could be the date label is one put in by the retailer to establish the date of sale. German retailers used to do that, using rubber date stamps. There appears to have been quite some time between likely manufacturing date and date of sale here.

 

[Steve1857]

I have a Borsalino " Mula" homburg in size 4 ( 55cm) , there is a label with a date 9 July 1956 but I don't know what it means

It is way too small for me and so I have put it for sale but I like to share the pictures to the community here

As Stefan @steur says, it's an interesting piece, particularly the cool, never seen before crown patch.

In the photos it looks like a soft felt, and not a stiff felt Homburg. How maleable is it?

 

[milandro]

It is very soft indeed and not at all like any homburg that I've ever handled.

In fact it looks like what my father in Italy would call " mezzo lobbia" and he had one , in blue, which to my memory didn't have a binding ribbon.

It is possible to wear this hat with the brim down and would certainly have a '30 hat look .


Unfortunately it doesn't fit me, that is why I've put it up for sale (see classified section if you wish)

I am baffled from the stamped date

 

[wsmontana]

Here is a Peluche Argento Elan Bayer Borsalino with a trolly cord and a shark gill ribbon.

The felt is very soft, thick, and plush. There is little to no stiffener in the felt so it rolls up like a blanket.

I thought the definitions of the Spanish word "peluche" were both on
point:

Stuffed Toy/Plushie:
This is the most common meaning, referring to a toy filled with soft material and covered in plush fabric, like a stuffed animal or a cuddly toy.

Plush Fabric:
"Peluche" can also refer to the material itself, a soft, luxurious fabric with a long, dense pile, which is often used for making toys, upholstery, and other decorative items.

“Argento” is Italian for “silver” which is also on point.

Eulan Bayer is an anti-moth treatment as has been discussed above.

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This one cleaned up quite nicely from wet and shaggy to dry and brushed.

 

[Steve1857]

This one cleaned up quite nicely from wet and shaggy to dry and brushed.


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Nice clean up, Bill.

It's a keeper for sure.

 

[wsmontana]

Nice clean up, Bill.

It's a keeper for sure.

Thanks Steve!

 

[Pellie]

This one cleaned up quite nicely from wet and shaggy to dry and brushed.


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Nice, i always like shark gills.

 

[steur]

This one cleaned up quite nicely from wet and shaggy to dry and brushed.


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Never gets old seeing a hat come back to life like that. Nice find and great clean-up, Bill.

 

[wsmontana]

Nice, i always like shark gills.

Never gets old seeing a hat come back to life like that. Nice find and great clean-up, Bill.

Thanks guys!

 

[Daniele Tanto]

I have a Borsalino " Mula" homburg in size 4 ( 55cm) , there is a label with a date 9 July 1956 but I don't know what it means

It is way too small for me and so I have put it for sale but I like to share the pictures to the community here

I have a hat very similar in shape to yours, made by Borsalino.

Mine is "younger", (from the paper label) and its name in Borsalino language is Gulaela.

I believe yours was originally a homburg or lobbia that, at some point in its history, was modified. I'm telling you this because there's a discrepancy between the Borsalino label and the hat's shape and finish.
Second, the patch, rather than the lining, is not a Borsalino characteristic.
Third, I believe the date stamped by the seller or restorer is the date the hat changed shape, because the original label dates the hat's manufacture to before the war
In any case, it's a beautiful hat.

This one cleaned up quite nicely from wet and shaggy to dry and brushed.


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Fantastic model and finish.
I'd love to find one in Italy too... considering I think it was an export model, especially to North America.

 

[wsmontana]

Fantastic model and finish.
I'd love to find one in Italy too... considering I think it was an export model, especially to North America.

Thanks Daniele! Yes, with the sweatband stamped a size 6 and the cloth size tag a 7 1/8, I figured it was an export model. I was able to find other “Peluche” Borsalinos online but none looked like this one. It seems to be a rare one.