The BORSALINO BROTHERHOOD

[jeffgarf]

Ah, I see....

Thank you for the information.

I guess I was so excited about getting the hat, that I must have misread the "EULA BAYER" on the size tag as "EULA BEAVER". I had no idea that Borsalino had thier own term for beaver, so that is good to know.

Speaking of which, does anyone here on the brotherhood know what "EULA BAYER" means? I am still fairly new to Borsalino, so anything I can learn about them is greatly appreciated.


Thanks!

-Blackflame

Do a search within this thread. It is discussed here.

 

[Blackflame]

Oh, Ok I see.....

Thank you for the information!

I am learning new things about this staple of a hat brand every day. It makes me glad I joined the lounge.

Hopefully, by reading through all of the information here and posting pictures of my own hats, I'll be able to learn much more about them.


Speaking of which, I have a couple more Borsalino hats in my collection, that I want to post here. One of which is a flat cap that appears to be somewhat newer. The other is another fedora, that I am having trouble finding any information on.

I was hoping that maybe someone here on the brotherhood could help me find more information on the fedora, as searching around on both the lounge and Google haven't really given me much to go on. The only thing I can find is the sold listing from the place that I bought it.

I will try to post pictures of the fedora to this thread later today if I get the time.


Thanks Again For All Your Help, I Really Do Appreciate It!

-Blackflame

 

[Daniele Tanto]

EULAN BAYER Is anti-moths product used in the Borsalino treatment to preserve felt from insects Best to have information on Borsalino Is to read this thread with patience. It Is a field of information

 

[Blackflame]

Appologies for the delay with uploading these. The past couple days were fairly busy for me, so I just didn't have time to take proper photos of it.

Anyways, this is the fedora that I was talking about in my last post:

 

[Blackflame]

Here is the style tag underneath the sweat and liner:

 

[Blackflame]

The model for this hat is "Kasmir", which from my knowledge is also a type of finish that some hat manufacturers put on thier hats back in the day.

Doing a little bit of research both on Google and the lounge, I was able to determine the approximate age of this hat. Judging by the style tag, I am thinking this particular hat was made sometime in the 1960's.

I couldn't find much more information on this hat besides that. The only thing that comes up when I search for this model, is the listing on poshmark from which I bought this hat.

One of the markings on the sweatband says "Made Expressly For Juster Bros, Minneapolis, MN". Considering how little information I can find on this model, I am wondering if maybe it was exclusive to that one store. However, I'm still not sure.


I haven't had much luck finding information on this particular model online. So I was hoping maybe someone here in the brotherhood might know more about it.

 

[jeffgarf]

Here is some information on the color - hope this helps - https://www.thefedoralounge.com/threads/the-borsalino-brotherhood.13133/page-380#post-2600383

Sellers of Borsalino have been able to name the hats as they see fit. The Juster Bros may have named that model however they wanted, but it sold with it's original name, whatever it may have been, elsewhere.

 

[Blackflame]

Here is some information on the color - hope this helps - https://www.thefedoralounge.com/threads/the-borsalino-brotherhood.13133/page-380#post-2600383

Sellers of Borsalino have been able to name the hats as they see fit. The Juster Bros may have named that model however they wanted, but it sold with it's original name, whatever it may have been, elsewhere.

Ah, ok, that makes a lot more sense. So then that would be why it was "Made Expressly" for them. Theres nothing really exclusive about it then, except for the name.

Aside from just using Google, is there any way to figure out what the hat was called originally?

When I initially tried doing a little research on it, I had thought some characteristics looked kind of similar to the "Diamante" (Ironic because I just got one of those hats a few days ago).

However, since I obviously haven't seen nearly as many of those hats around my area, I was wondering if anyone here on the lounge had any ideas as to what the actual name for this hat might be.


Thanks Again For All Your Help!

-Blackflame

 

[jeffgarf]

Ah, ok, that makes a lot more sense. So then that would be why it was "Made Expressly" for them. Theres nothing really exclusive about it then, except for the name.

Aside from just using Google, is there any way to figure out what the hat was called originally?

When I initially tried doing a little research on it, I had thought some characteristics looked kind of similar to the "Diamante" (Ironic because I just got one of those hats a few days ago).

However, since I obviously haven't seen nearly as many of those hats around my area, I was wondering if anyone here on the lounge had any ideas as to what the actual name for this hat might be.


Thanks Again For All Your Help!

-Blackflame

Start by looking at the amazing work done by @steur regarding Borsalinos at this post - https://www.thefedoralounge.com/threads/the-borsalino-brotherhood.13133/page-364#post-2546832

Perhaps he may chime in here with some info regarding your particular hat. Good luck.

 

[M.M.]

Hi All,

I found myself a new one I could not resist. Again a bit of the hairy type, I like that! From the pictures of the seller I couldn't tell whether the sweatband was leather or fabric. It turns out it is a fabric covered leather sweat band, I did not see that before!

The felt is rather stiff, much more than my other hats. It has a few places where it likes to crease. I may try to steam those out, but that would be a first.

Based on Steur's Comprehensive Guide to Borsalino Label Dating, the hat must be from the 60's or 70's.

From the label the model is Fiordo, which means -you guessed it- Fjord, and the colour of the ribbon is Ossido, meaning oxide. Learning from the web, that must then refer to Chromium Oxide (?), because that's green.

 

[mayserwegener]

Ah, I see....

Thank you for the information.

I guess I was so excited about getting the hat, that I must have misread the "EULA BAYER" on the size tag as "EULA BEAVER". I had no idea that Borsalino had thier own term for beaver, so that is good to know.

Speaking of which, does anyone here on the brotherhood know what "EULA BAYER" means? I am still fairly new to Borsalino, so anything I can learn about them is greatly appreciated.


Thanks!

-Blackflame

Regarding Eulan (anti mothing) from 1933 (see page 183). Production information like this is lacking. This is my main focus.

http://germanaustrianhats.invisionz...er-deustchen-hutmacher-zeitung-1933/#entry977

 

[steur]

Here is some information on the color - hope this helps - https://www.thefedoralounge.com/threads/the-borsalino-brotherhood.13133/page-380#post-2600383

Sellers of Borsalino have been able to name the hats as they see fit. The Juster Bros may have named that model however they wanted, but it sold with it's original name, whatever it may have been, elsewhere.

The model for this hat is "Kasmir", which from my knowledge is also a type of finish that some hat manufacturers put on thier hats back in the day.

Doing a little bit of research both on Google and the lounge, I was able to determine the approximate age of this hat. Judging by the style tag, I am thinking this particular hat was made sometime in the 1960's.

I couldn't find much more information on this hat besides that. The only thing that comes up when I search for this model, is the listing on poshmark from which I bought this hat.

One of the markings on the sweatband says "Made Expressly For Juster Bros, Minneapolis, MN". Considering how little information I can find on this model, I am wondering if maybe it was exclusive to that one store. However, I'm still not sure.


I haven't had much luck finding information on this particular model online. So I was hoping maybe someone here in the brotherhood might know more about it.

It's basiscally like Jeff already wrote: retailers could decide for themselves under which model names they sold their hats. Usually they did so for customer recognition; far easier for a customer to ask for this or that model than having to go into the specifics of each hat.
All the model numbers I have collected from the labels have produced some insight, but we would greatly benefit if we could get our hands on the Borsalino catalogs in which they were listed, even knowing that the model numbers may have changed over time as well.

 

[steur]

Hi All,

I found myself a new one I could not resist. Again a bit of the hairy type, I like that! From the pictures of the seller I couldn't tell whether the sweatband was leather or fabric. It turns out it is a fabric covered leather sweat band, I did not see that before!

The felt is rather stiff, much more than my other hats. It has a few places where it likes to crease. I may try to steam those out, but that would be a first.

Based on Steur's Comprehensive Guide to Borsalino Label Dating, the hat must be from the 60's or 70's.

From the label the model is Fiordo, which means -you guessed it- Fjord, and the colour of the ribbon is Ossido, meaning oxide. Learning from the web, that must then refer to Chromium Oxide (?), because that's green.

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A beautiful hat with an attractive heather felt. Nice find!

 

[Blackflame]

It's basiscally like Jeff already wrote: retailers could decide for themselves under which model names they sold their hats. Usually they did so for customer recognition; far easier for a customer to ask for this or that model than having to go into the specifics of each hat.
All the model numbers I have collected from the labels have produced some insight, but we would greatly benefit if we could get our hands on the Borsalino catalogs in which they were listed, even knowing that the model numbers may have changed over time as well.

Agreed, I think it would be really helpful to have all of that information, that way we can see which models were sold at specific stores under a different name.

It's unfortunate that, as of now there is not really an easy way to figure out what the original name was (or even if a particular model had multiple names). I'm sure this isn't the only Borsalino like this out there. There are probably dozens of hat sold under multiple names, that we will have difficulty tracking down information on.

Hopefully, someone here will come across said catalog and share it with us here on the lounge, so that we can all learn more about these kinds of hats.

I'm glad that I can, at the very least, add this model to the catalog. That way, if someone comes across it again, they'll have some information to go on.

I appreciate the help of everyone here on the lounge, it has helped me learn quite a lot about what makes these particular hats special.


Thanks Again For All Your Help!

-Blackflame

 

[jeffgarf]

I have taken ownership of a Nero (black) Borsalino San Remo in a size 7 5/8. It is from the early 1970's and is in excellent (not perfect, but excellent) condition. I am aware of the scarcity of older hats available in larger sizes and, before I offer it for sale to the general public, I wanted to make it available for a time to those who would appreciate it most, the Brotherhood. If anyone is interested in discussing, receiving photos or making an offer, I am open to all. I will post when I decide to offer publicly.

 

[steur]

Here's one that's been sitting on my shelf for some weeks now (been too lazy to take the pictures). But here it is.
Echter Borsalino Cecosca in black. Size 61 with the bound brim at 6cm and the crown at 11cm at the center dent. This one has a lovely shark gill bow for just that little bit extra.

 

[jeffgarf]

A second shark gill bow in a row here. This one just showed up before the American holiday weekend. I was expecting it to arrive the end of September or early October.

Mirtillo color, from 1979, I believe, originally sold in Sondrio, IT. Same dimensions as the one posted by @steur above. This one does have a double stitched brim, however, and no sign of a model unless we can figure out the more modern serial numbers. Need to work on the flange this weekend.

 

[rogueclimber]

Nice sharks @steur @jeffgarf

 

[TheEnglishSwede]

Now this is annoying, I have been reading up on hat trollies, with the view to fit them to some of my hats. I looked today at one of my Borsalinos and I find evidence that it had one fitted, then at some point cut off.

Just been to check my other Borsalino and it is the same story there.

/Mike

 

[Daniele Tanto]

Ultimately, "pre-2017", as a term, is a short-cut to discussing a better overall quality in the product. It really depends on the line and the individual hat. There may very well be some newer hats of a better manufacturer and felt quality than a pre-bankruptcy hat, but I, like most on the board here, would say the vintage stuff, like @steur or @Daniele Tanto are able to easily model, will be a better hat.

I'm reposting the discussion here because it's relevant to this thread.
A thousand assumptions are a surefire way to get confused without actually having the hats in question. Let's start with the current situation: Borsalino is a fashion manufacturer, making hats suited to contemporary times. Before the current situation, Borsalino produced millions of hats like other Italian hatters. Among them are beautiful, average, and low-quality models, regardless of the period, because Borsalino has always aimed to be present in every price range except the lowest. It has made quality and style its priority and has maintained this through thick and thin to this day, taking into account that the hat market has disappeared. We chase relics and objects from a past that is unlikely to return. It's perfectly useless to make assumptions and report the opinions of users, retailers, and friends who have certain stereotypes about Borsalino. Buy its antique, modern, and contemporary hats and make your own assessments. Over the years, I've spent time buying hats, reading books, newspapers from the golden age of hats, and treatises on hat making, trying to understand their manufacturing, their strengths, and weaknesses. Speculation without the hats at hand is a completely pointless exercise