Master supply co leather jacket

[ton312]

One thing I have noticed over the years here is that the more mediocre the maker, the more fierce the defenders. I‘ve seen this with Five Star, U.S. Authentic, and now Master Supply. This is a new wrinkle, though. I think this is the first time I’ve seen someone who has actually never actually handled nor wore the jacket extolling its virtues so vociferously.

I also notice he edited his last wall of text where he acknowledged the gaping stitch holes I pointed out. I suspect he had an “UH oh” momment and realized that photos do matter and that’s precisely what he ultimately used to push him over the edge to purchase. I envision him at some point feverishly sweating on the toilet with an along came Polly stomach trying to return the jacket before it’s even delivered.

 

[Benny Holiday]

He's not the first, sadly won't be the last. A modicum of respect wouldn't have hurt him. I've been here since 2004 and been a member since 2006, and I still learn something every time I check out this forum, which is sadly not as often as I used to have time to. Bottom line, some people are just annoying dipsticks and, as my old man used to say, "You can't educate a mug."

Now I can return to enjoying Ton's adventures in 70s jacket bliss and everyone else exploring the world of vintage, rare and cool jackets (with the odd crazy one thrown in for our amusement).

 

[The Lost Cowboy]

I also notice he edited his last wall of text where he acknowledged the gaping stitch holes I pointed out. I suspect he had an “UH oh” momment and realized that photos do matter and that’s precisely what he ultimately used to push him over the edge to purchase. I envision him at some point feverishly sweating on the toilet with an along came Polly stomach trying to return the jacket before it’s even delivered.

Those stitch hole comments where on the other thread. It's so much text and he posted it in two different places, but there are some substantive differences. Not that either one is worth reading, but here's the other one, post 94:

Master Supply Co

Oh, I love this! So now we’ve moved from gatekeeping ‘heritage’ to declaring it culturally dead. Rugged workwear is the new North Face? Maybe in some corners of the internet, sure. But the funny thing about subcultures is that they don’t exist in a vacuum—they ebb and flow, sometimes codifying...

www.thefedoralounge.com

 

[Mrfrown]

Because there were so many words and so few pictures, I took these today to share. You can see what I mean about how the hide wants to wrinkle. Sorta reminds me of deerskin? It’s very comfortable from the get go but I have doubts about long term durability.

Anyways a decent looking jacket but not sure if deserves all the text walls. Then again, you’d be surprised at how many folks are passionate about the Milwaukee Leather jacket that sells for $130 who come for me on YouTube

 

[Peacoat]

Enough with the bashing; let's move on.

 

[Mrfrown]

Enough with the bashing; let's move on.

No problem, and apologies if it came across as bashing. Was not my intention at any point across my responses here.

 

[Peacoat]

No problem, and apologies if it came across as bashing. Was not my intention at any point across my responses here.

No need to apologize; you weren't bashing. My comment just happened to be beneath your last message.

 

[ZeroDelta]

Just to be clear the Master supply is not using a thicker leather than Rugged West. Rugged Wests two tone is 1.7-1.9mm. I am not saying this to be a dick I just want people to have full transparency on the materials and how it does or doesn't effect the stitching.

 

[wearever]

For anyone reading this later, a quick clarification.

I’ve been silent because I was banned for a week—not because I left the conversation. That’s part of how closed groups maintain control.

As I’ve said before, the big picture here was never about a leather jacket or a brand. It was about how gatekeeping gets framed as expertise, and how dissent gets dismissed—usually as arrogant, elitist, irrational—among other tired tropes. That’s a familiar playbook in closed spaces.

As I have said many times, this was never about a leather jacket. My concern was with the way the brand was being dismissed—based on reasoning that didn’t hold up—not whether I had the jacket in hand at the time. I’ve said this several times already, but it clearly hasn’t registered: I have no affiliation with the brand. I just happen to like the jacket (which I have now received). But again, the jacket itself was never the point.

What’s been missed, despite repeated clarification, is that my contribution was about fairness. To the extent that I “defended” the jacket, I did so in the interest of balance, in a discussion that had already set a precedent for critique in the absence of first-hand experience or possession. The irony is that I was criticized for offering a reasoned perspective without having received the jacket yet—while many of the loudest critiques came from people who hadn’t owned or experienced the product either.

To that end, I do appreciate the contributions of those whose posts move in the same direction.

My silence after this post won’t be a retreat (though it has already been framed that way). If there are attempts to spin this after I’m gone—whether as a claim of victory, some effort at delegitimization, or some new iteration of the same group reinforcement—that’s part of the pattern too. Future readers can make their own judgments.

 

[Will Zach]

^^
Pics or it didn't happen.

 

[ZeroDelta]

For anyone reading this later, a quick clarification.

I’ve been silent because I was banned for a week—not because I left the conversation. That’s part of how closed groups maintain control.

As I’ve said before, the big picture here was never about a leather jacket or a brand. It was about how gatekeeping gets framed as expertise, and how dissent gets dismissed—usually as arrogant, elitist, irrational—among other tired tropes. That’s a familiar playbook in closed spaces.

As I have said many times, this was never about a leather jacket. My concern was with the way the brand was being dismissed—based on reasoning that didn’t hold up—not whether I had the jacket in hand at the time. I’ve said this several times already, but it clearly hasn’t registered: I have no affiliation with the brand. I just happen to like the jacket (which I have now received). But again, the jacket itself was never the point.

What’s been missed, despite repeated clarification, is that my contribution was about fairness. To the extent that I “defended” the jacket, I did so in the interest of balance, in a discussion that had already set a precedent for critique in the absence of first-hand experience or possession. The irony is that I was criticized for offering a reasoned perspective without having received the jacket yet—while many of the loudest critiques came from people who hadn’t owned or experienced the product either.

To that end, I do appreciate the contributions of those whose posts move in the same direction.

My silence after this post won’t be a retreat (though it has already been framed that way). If there are attempts to spin this after I’m gone—whether as a claim of victory, some effort at delegitimization, or some new iteration of the same group reinforcement—that’s part of the pattern too. Future readers can make their own judgments.

I thought we were going to get a full review with lots of pictures? I actually like the jacket that you purchased and was hoping to see some non advertising pictures of it. It's hard to find a natural leather jacket at that price point.

 

[El Marro]

Pics before you get banned again, please.

 

[Peacoat]

Pics before you get banned again, please.

Yes, and it may not be long coming either. Some things just need to be left alone and left unsaid. PC

 

[dannyk]

For anyone reading this later, a quick clarification.

I’ve been silent because I was banned for a week—not because I left the conversation. That’s part of how closed groups maintain control.

As I’ve said before, the big picture here was never about a leather jacket or a brand. It was about how gatekeeping gets framed as expertise, and how dissent gets dismissed—usually as arrogant, elitist, irrational—among other tired tropes. That’s a familiar playbook in closed spaces.

As I have said many times, this was never about a leather jacket. My concern was with the way the brand was being dismissed—based on reasoning that didn’t hold up—not whether I had the jacket in hand at the time. I’ve said this several times already, but it clearly hasn’t registered: I have no affiliation with the brand. I just happen to like the jacket (which I have now received). But again, the jacket itself was never the point.

What’s been missed, despite repeated clarification, is that my contribution was about fairness. To the extent that I “defended” the jacket, I did so in the interest of balance, in a discussion that had already set a precedent for critique in the absence of first-hand experience or possession. The irony is that I was criticized for offering a reasoned perspective without having received the jacket yet—while many of the loudest critiques came from people who hadn’t owned or experienced the product either.

To that end, I do appreciate the contributions of those whose posts move in the same direction.

My silence after this post won’t be a retreat (though it has already been framed that way). If there are attempts to spin this after I’m gone—whether as a claim of victory, some effort at delegitimization, or some new iteration of the same group reinforcement—that’s part of the pattern too. Future readers can make their own judgments.

Just when I thought I was out they pull me back in!!!

One last essay I didn’t want to write then I’m really done. @Peacoat nothing below uses foul language or insults anyone. So I hope this doesn’t derail things again. If it does I accept that. The mods and admins jobs are a thankless one.


Listen I’m not trying to argue and I don’t want to get banned myself! Ha. I also said my one message would be it. Yet you’re still not getting it. You even just said it’s not about master supply; you said it’s about gatekeeping and you came in with an agenda and purposely were provocative. Thats the issue. Are some people here gatekeepers, perfectionists, or snobs? Yeah for sure. Some of them will even admit it. Yet I swear to you most of us are not. Most of us started at the bottom, or have ran through everything and ended up back at the start. There’s levels to this. Not only in cost and experience, and heritage but there are good makers at every level. Like I said there are places for makers like 5 Star or Master Supply. Our very own @Mrfrown just posted about his experience with them. He’s owned Rainbow Country and is cool enough to have his own collab with Vanson. Yet still took a stab at Master Supply. @ton312 has owned everything. Literally everything and gave 5 Star several chances. The issue isn’t gatekeeping or snobbery it’s the attitude you came in with. People sussed out your agenda and attitude immediately. New makers at every level pop up all the time and some folks tear them apart and hate, some love and defend, most are somewhere in the middle. But two things about TFL. First TFL isn’t for causals. Everyone who sticks around is hardcore into this hobby. You should expect people dissecting the hell out of every product. People care about the history, backstory, legacy, makers experience, life-story, skills, artistry, so on and so forth. They want to know as much as possible and judge all aspects. It’s what the truly dedicated and engrossed do.

2. Yet exceptions are made based on pricing, tier, marketing, target demographic. We understand all that. Even I myself said some of Master Supply’s rough out and suede options look killer. Like I would be more than proud to own one. People respect those willing to take a shot. To give a new maker a chance. We want honest feedback and opinions. As I said in my first response. If you had said hey Master Supply looks interesting, this model stands out to me. I am going to give it a shot and I’ll post pics and observations when it arrives. You’d have received 99.9% positive responses. “Can’t wait to see.” “I’ve been wondering about them.” “Make sure to gives us honest feedback.” And yeah maybe one or two “they look like crap.” “I wouldn’t buy one.” But you get that when it comes to 5 Star up to RMC to LW. Everyone has an opinion. But you didn’t do that. You purposely instigated, argued, and provoked. And now by your own admission on purpose! You want people to respond positively to being hassled and targeted?

So you’re still failing to see the point and now making it sound as if you’re some martyr who’s been banned in the name of breaking down gatekeeping. Even though only a few here do gatekeep. I know one of our members even made a video recently on why gatekeeping is good; which I strongly wholeheartedly disagree with. Many of us do. Yet that member is also super well informed, has owned so many well made beautiful products. Has knowledge on the subjects you could only hope to have. So yeah I disagree, respectfully. He’s earned his right to that opinion. He has owned and handled, interviewed, been interviewed, and sunk thousands into this hobby and his work. Thats his well earned right. I can say not for me, not my opinion, and still look forward to seeing their new video or new post here about a new product they received. We disagree around here constantly. With respect and integrity. Those that don’t, well they get banned or quit. Now see why you were banned? You didn’t come with respect, integrity or honesty. You had an agenda; or you got beat up so bad you’re now lying and pretending that’s what happened. Either way it’s not honest or respectful.

Yet after my now second essay I still hope you see the light, come to terms with the situation, apologize, learn and stick around. Then you just might see the wealth of knowledge, experience and good people we have around here. Even those we might disagree with. As long as we’re not disagreeing about human rights, it’s not life or death. It’s jackets. Expensive jackets no one needs. They aren’t important. It’s a hobby. Hence why no one cares about big words or your bookshelves. Any day of the week I’ll put up my education, work experience in my field and my bookshelf against anyone here. But I have no need nor want to. We’re friends. Just stick to the truth and the products and the history. I’ve made several true real life friends. I respect every member here. But @Monitor @ton312 @Edward ya know they are good people. I’ve made so many deals with @ksozay it’s nuts. You too could find that level of camaraderie. It’s never too late to learn. Even if no one else cares; I do. I want the hobby to grow and to help new folks learn. Join us. Take something from this experience. Or you can dig in and die a martyr to your personal cause, cry to whatever other forum, or run to Master Supply. I don’t know man, it’s jackets; it’s a hobby, it’s not that serious.

Pics or it don’t count brother!

 

[The Lost Cowboy]

Just when I thought I was out they pull me back in!!!

One last essay I didn’t want to write then I’m really done. @Peacoat nothing below uses foul language or insults anyone. So I hope this doesn’t derail things again. If it does I accept that. The mods and admins jobs are a thankless one.


Listen I’m not trying to argue and I don’t want to get banned myself! Ha. I also said my one message would be it. Yet you’re still not getting it. You even just said it’s not about master supply; you said it’s about gatekeeping and you came in with an agenda and purposely were provocative. Thats the issue. Are some people here gatekeepers, perfectionists, or snobs? Yeah for sure. Some of them will even admit it. Yet I swear to you most of us are not. Most of us started at the bottom, or have ran through everything and ended up back at the start. There’s levels to this. Not only in cost and experience, and heritage but there are good makers at every level. Like I said there are places for makers like 5 Star or Master Supply. Our very own @Mrfrown just posted about his experience with them. He’s owned Rainbow Country and is cool enough to have his own collab with Vanson. Yet still took a stab at Master Supply. @ton312 has owned everything. Literally everything and gave 5 Star several chances. The issue isn’t gatekeeping or snobbery it’s the attitude you came in with. People sussed out your agenda and attitude immediately. New makers at every level pop up all the time and some folks tear them apart and hate, some love and defend, most are somewhere in the middle. But two things about TFL. First TFL isn’t for causals. Everyone who sticks around is hardcore into this hobby. You should expect people dissecting the hell out of every product. People care about the history, backstory, legacy, makers experience, life-story, skills, artistry, so on and so forth. They want to know as much as possible and judge all aspects. It’s what the truly dedicated and engrossed do.

2. Yet exceptions are made based on pricing, tier, marketing, target demographic. We understand all that. Even I myself said some of Master Supply’s rough out and suede options look killer. Like I would be more than proud to own one. People respect those willing to take a shot. To give a new maker a chance. We want honest feedback and opinions. As I said in my first response. If you had said hey Master Supply looks interesting, this model stands out to me. I am going to give it a shot and I’ll post pics and observations when it arrives. You’d have received 99.9% positive responses. “Can’t wait to see.” “I’ve been wondering about them.” “Make sure to gives us honest feedback.” And yeah maybe one or two “they look like crap.” “I wouldn’t buy one.” But you get that when it comes to 5 Star up to RMC to LW. Everyone has an opinion. But you didn’t do that. You purposely instigated, argued, and provoked. And now by your own admission on purpose! You want people to respond positively to being hassled and targeted?

So you’re still failing to see the point and now making it sound as if you’re some martyr who’s been banned in the name of breaking down gatekeeping. Even though only a few here do gatekeep. I know one of our members even made a video recently on why gatekeeping is good; which I strongly wholeheartedly disagree with. Many of us do. Yet that member is also super well informed, has owned so many well made beautiful products. Has knowledge on the subjects you could only hope to have. So yeah I disagree, respectfully. He’s earned his right to that opinion. He has owned and handled, interviewed, been interviewed, and sunk thousands into this hobby and his work. Thats his well earned right. I can say not for me, not my opinion, and still look forward to seeing their new video or new post here about a new product they received. We disagree around here constantly. With respect and integrity. Those that don’t, well they get banned or quit. Now see why you were banned? You didn’t come with respect, integrity or honesty. You had an agenda; or you got beat up so bad you’re now lying and pretending that’s what happened. Either way it’s not honest or respectful.

Yet after my now second essay I still hope you see the light, come to terms with the situation, apologize, learn and stick around. Then you just might see the wealth of knowledge, experience and good people we have around here. Even those we might disagree with. As long as we’re not disagreeing about human rights, it’s not life or death. It’s jackets. Expensive jackets no one needs. They aren’t important. It’s a hobby. Hence why no one cares about big words or your bookshelves. Any day of the week I’ll put up my education, work experience in my field and my bookshelf against anyone here. But I have no need nor want to. We’re friends. Just stick to the truth and the products and the history. I’ve made several true real life friends. I respect every member here. But @Monitor @ton312 @Edward ya know they are good people. I’ve made so many deals with @ksozay it’s nuts. You too could find that level of camaraderie. It’s never too late to learn. Even if no one else cares; I do. I want the hobby to grow and to help new folks learn. Join us. Take something from this experience. Or you can dig in and die a martyr to your personal cause, cry to whatever other forum, or run to Master Supply. I don’t know man, it’s jackets; it’s a hobby, it’s not that serious.

Pics or it don’t count brother!

That was worth reading. Thanks.

 

[barnabus]

Pics before you get banned again, please.

Yes, this please!

I'd love to see as many pictures as possible.