How many new jackets do you have coming (and how many potential ones)?

[ABCD]

Is the Eastman new or second hand

It's second hand but new in box. Can't wait to try it. I know it'll fit

 

[Robbie79]

Local taxes are not (at least they shouldn’t) charged when exporting.

So Eastman will charge you the price ex UK VAT and then you’ll pay VAT and custom duties/fees to the Dutch authority. This is assuming a WTO style deal. A lot of EU online stores normally quote prices both with and without VAT. It’s common practise.

I’m not entirely sure what the Brexit arrangements are though. It might also be that the UK will join soonish the EEA like Norway etc and so it’ll be all the same. Too early to tell but there will be some disruption in the short term.

@Mich486 I think you Are Right as far as Eastman is concerned but for instance it doesn’t apply to Greg Fields as he has a special agreement that he currently doesn’t need to add VAT (he told me that about 2 weeks ago). In other words VAT is added when importing his jackets (in my case 19%) unless he reduces the total amount on commercial invoices (insurance value is also lower then which bears risk)

 

[Berto]

@Mich486 I think you Are Right as far as Eastman is concerned but for instance it doesn’t apply to Greg Fields as he has a special agreement that he currently doesn’t need to add VAT (he told me that about 2 weeks ago). In other words VAT is added when importing his jackets (in my case 19%) unless he reduces the total amount on commercial invoices (insurance value is also lower then which bears risk)

Robbie, but you have to pay German customs, right?

 

[Robbie79]

Robbie, but you have to pay German customs, right?

No, as far as I know it’s kind of a Free Trade agreement and I would have to pay import tax (German VAT = 19%) unless they amended their agreement in the last 2 days as I hardly Followed detailed news

 

[Mich486]

I admittedly didn’t read the details of the Brexit trade deal with the EU but it is against common sense to assume the customer will end up paying VAT twice both in UK and in the importing country to the local tax authority.

Local taxes like the VAT are normally not charged when exporting but only charged to local customers. For instance, when buying from Japan the 10% japanese sale tax is waived for international customers (of course you still pay it if you use a proxy). You get hit with custom fees and other applicable taxes by your own country. Typically in EU these are the VAT plus other fees.

 

[Robbie79]

I admittedly didn’t read the details of the Brexit trade deal with the EU but it is against common sense to assume the customer will end up paying VAT twice both in UK and in the importing country to the local tax authority.

Local taxes like the VAT are normally not charged when exporting but only charged to local customers. For instance, when buying from Japan the 10% japanese sale tax is waived for international customers (of course you still pay it if you use a proxy). You get hit with custom fees and other applicable taxes by your own country. Typically in EU these are the VAT plus other fees.

Yes, true, and I made the Same experience but Greg confirmed the no UK VAT will be deducted from the jacket price when shipping to EU countries as he also does not pay UK VAT (small company with small turnover probably)

 

[ABCD]

Guys, enough jacket talk. Best wishes and a happy new year for y'all!

 

[Robbie79]

Happy and healthy New Year to you all, too!

 

[Berto]

Happy new year, I wish you all a new year full of health, love and money for cool jackets.

 

[Imuricecreamman]

I admittedly didn’t read the details of the Brexit trade deal with the EU but it is against common sense to assume the customer will end up paying VAT twice both in UK and in the importing country to the local tax authority.

Local taxes like the VAT are normally not charged when exporting but only charged to local customers. For instance, when buying from Japan the 10% japanese sale tax is waived for international customers (of course you still pay it if you use a proxy). You get hit with custom fees and other applicable taxes by your own country. Typically in EU these are the VAT plus other fees.

Aero refused to vaive the UK vat when shipping to me in Norway. So full price along with 25% vat when it arrived in Norway. The handlingfees in Norway were negligeble.

 

[Robbie79]

Aero refused to vaive the UK vat when shipping to me in Norway. So full price along with 25% vat when it arrived in Norway. The handlingfees in Norway were negligeble.

I'm pretty sure that they have to reconsider their decision after a couple of months but I might be wrong. Iron Heart UK made following announcement:
"After 1st January 2021, our goal is that you will not pay anything more for your purchase than is advertised on the Iron Heart UK website. Orders shipping from us after 1st January 2021 to EU countries will be shipped “tax and duty paid” so you will not pay any additional costs on your purchase over and above prices on our website."

 

[Berto]

I'm pretty sure that they have to reconsider their decision after a couple of months but I might be wrong. Iron Heart UK made following announcement:
"After 1st January 2021, our goal is that you will not pay anything more for your purchase than is advertised on the Iron Heart UK website. Orders shipping from us after 1st January 2021 to EU countries will be shipped “tax and duty paid” so you will not pay any additional costs on your purchase over and above prices on our website."

hope you're right

 

[Imuricecreamman]

I'm pretty sure that they have to reconsider their decision after a couple of months but I might be wrong. Iron Heart UK made following announcement:
"After 1st January 2021, our goal is that you will not pay anything more for your purchase than is advertised on the Iron Heart UK website. Orders shipping from us after 1st January 2021 to EU countries will be shipped “tax and duty paid” so you will not pay any additional costs on your purchase over and above prices on our website."

How Will they do this? Will they deduct the vat percentage of the country where they ship the goods? I can't see customs settling for a message of" tax and duty paid" on the parcel...

 

[Mich486]

Aero refused to vaive the UK vat when shipping to me in Norway. So full price along with 25% vat when it arrived in Norway. The handlingfees in Norway were negligeble.

That ***** and I don’t think it is right. Double taxation is never right.

Anyway, take for example one of the largest online stores in the EU of denim/heritage clothing, German based Cultzim.com. Price for outside of the EU customers are clearly quoted ex 19% German VAT. That is how I would expect things to work to and from the UK.

 

[Imuricecreamman]

That ***** and I don’t think it is right. Double taxation is never right.

Anyway, take for example one of the largest online stores in the EU of denim/heritage clothing, German based Cultzim.com. Price for outside of the EU customers are clearly quoted ex 19% German VAT. That is how I would expect things to work to and from the UK.

Yup. The germans are really upfront about this and EVERY german store I've bought from has done it this way.

 

[Robbie79]

How Will they do this? Will they deduct the vat percentage of the country where they ship the goods? I can't see customs settling for a message of" tax and duty paid" on the parcel...

I think it’s Kind or DDP shipping. EBay also offer this service

 

[Mich486]

Ok I checked what the rules are for exports from UK to EU from 1st of January 2021 (today):


“VAT on exports
As of 1 January 2021, when it comes to exporting goods to EU countries, the VAT situation also changes. Exports to EU countries are treated like those to non-EU countries, which is to say, they should be zero-rated for UK VAT.”

link: https://www.sage.com/en-gb/blog/customs-and-vat-after-brexit/amp/

 

[Imuricecreamman]

I think it’s Kind or DDP shipping. EBay also offer this service

Well.. Then we end UP paying either way, because the fees I've paid with the ebay program has been extorbitant. Jackets with BIN price of 120 pounds ending costing north of 200 after being held hostage at their UK facility for a week or two. So it would surprise me if UK stores won't be forced to increase their prices due to this. But I guess IH didnt mention a price hike in their message, only that we won't pay more than the advertised price.

 

[ABCD]

Well.. Then we end UP paying either way, because the fees I've paid with the ebay program has been extorbitant.

Were you charged by this Pitney Bowes limited **** company?

https://www.thefedoralounge.com/threads/ebay-arghh.97436/page-13#post-2708623

 

[red devil]

Ok I checked what the rules are for exports from UK to EU from 1st of January 2021 (today):


“VAT on exports
As of 1 January 2021, when it comes to exporting goods to EU countries, the VAT situation also changes. Exports to EU countries are treated like those to non-EU countries, which is to say, they should be zero-rated for UK VAT.”

link: https://www.sage.com/en-gb/blog/customs-and-vat-after-brexit/amp/

That is pretty much it as far as I am aware, will be testing this out soon with an order from a European site