Guys, save me from dropping over 700 euros on an Our Legacy Mini Jacket!

[jacketjunkie]

You're right—I didn't use a picture of a brand-new jacket from a model shoot for the Vanson comparison, mainly because everyone says Vanson's website photos don't really do their jackets justice.

Just to be clear, I actually love Vanson and have wanted to grab one many times; I just haven't been lucky enough to find one in the right size yet.

I only posted that image as an example of a classic fit that most people on the board approve of, contrasted with my own personal fit preferences. Plus, in my opinion, that particular photo of the model in the Our Legacy jacket actually captures how the leather looks in person much better than a quick phone photo ever could.

I actually took a quick snap with my phone in an old, dirty mirror at work the other day, but you probably won't like it because it's not perfectly aligned, fully zipped up, etc. Here it is next to the Vanson model shot (I know the pose is different, so it's not entirely conclusive, but it's the best I've got for now!).
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Good pic for a quick snap. Looks good on you. Looking forward to seeing more of it!

 

[The Lost Cowboy]

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This is honestly the best shot that I've seen of this jacket. Looks cool.

 

[Rick Dalton]

This is honestly the best shot that I've seen of this jacket. Looks cool.

Wow, thank you! That means a lot coming from you

 

[Rick Dalton]

Good pic for a quick snap. Looks good on you. Looking forward to seeing more of it!

Thank you! I honestly wasn't expecting any praise for such a quick, messy shot.

 

[Peter Mackin]

Not yet—plus it's been way too hot for a jacket. I'm sure the guys here will have a field day with this jacket once I finally post them, but honestly, for a guy of modest taste like me, it doesn't feel bad at all in hand. I own pieces from Eastman, Schott, Cal Leather, etc., though I've never owned a true ultra-high-end jacket

Don't worry too much about anyone else's opinions, as long as your happy that's all that matters. As for true ultra high-end jackets. Out of a collection of around 40 jackets left in my ownership, one of my favourite jackets is a £70 cooper A2,,some ultra expensive jackets have come and gone ,my cooper will be here when they nail down my coffin lid

 

[ton312]

I still think the pattern is no good. If you aren’t twisting your torso to hide the huge amount of excess material you would lose all the slimming effect of what’s seen in your pic:

This is how it should fit:

 

[cbez]

Thanks, I really appreciate the kind and wise words!

Yeah, quality aside, it’s just much more aesthetically pleasing to me when a jacket fits like this:
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rather than like this:
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, even though I very much appreciate how the second jacket is made. This is meant to serve as a casual/smart-casual jacket rather than a riding jacket, so aesthetics and silhouette are key for me here.

Zipped vs unzipped? The fit is extremely similar lol

 

[cbez]

If he wants a 90s fit let him have a 90s fit

 

[ton312]

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[2-or-more]

The OP propably don't need "slimming effect".

 

[Rick Dalton]

I still think the pattern is no good. If you aren’t twisting your torso to hide the huge amount of excess material you would lose all the slimming effect of what’s seen in your pic:
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This is how it should fit:
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We just have different philosophies, Ton. I respect your knowledge very much. We just differ in regard to clothing appearance.

I'm interested in how the jacket contributes to overall appearance—yes, it might look worse when fully zipped up standing perfectly straight to the camera (I haven't tried that yet), but I'm interested in how it looks in real life, how the jacket works for my particular silhouette, does the jacket give you "presence" or not, does the jacket invoke a certain "feel" from a particular era.

And sure, a fitted jacket can do these things too, it's just a different vibe. When I see the comparison to a long NBA suit, then I know we just differ, and that's okay. I'm looking forward to learning from guys like you in terms of quality materials or even fit, but I just see that we value different aspects of clothing.

 

[Edward]

I was just speaking more broadly to see if you agree with the idea of a "macro-trend" here.

Usually, these fundamental shifts in menswear proportions last about 10 to 15 years. Since the 2000s and 2010s were completely dominated by slim, almost tight-fitting clothes, do you think this current move toward boxy cuts is a long-term correction to that era, rather than just a quick fad?

Har to know for a few years yet. I've been hearing from fashion world that higher waists and wider legs are coming back "in" for the last decade or so, but it seems only now I'm starting to see it filter out. It's a rare, mainstream shop I see a trouser in now that has a waistband that reaches the natural waist, still, even if the leg is wide enough. Has to happen, though. Fashion after all thrives on a sense of novelty and change to keep a ready market available. Of the wider fits I have seen at mainstream and fast fashion places, though, to date they look more eighties than forties to my eye.

 

[Rick Dalton]

Har to know for a few years yet. I've been hearing from fashion world that higher waists and wider legs are coming back "in" for the last decade or so, but it seems only now I'm starting to see it filter out. It's a rare, mainstream shop I see a trouser in now that has a waistband that reaches the natural waist, still, even if the leg is wide enough. Has to happen, though. Fashion after all thrives on a sense of novelty and change to keep a ready market available. Of the wider fits I have seen at mainstream and fast fashion places, though, to date they look more eighties than forties to my eye.

I hope the trend lasts. It dominated most of the 20th century in one iteration or another (except maybe the 1960s) for a reason. High-waisted trousers with a short, boxy jacket create an aesthetically pleasing silhouette—and a much more masculine one, too.

The alteration Ton did to my photo with the waist suppression makes the jacket look more feminine, especially when combined with a longer jacket length. It could work in some cases where someone actually needs a slimming effect, but more often than not, it just throws off the proportions—much like in those Vanson photos I posted earlier.

 

[ton312]

I hope the trend lasts. It dominated most of the 20th century in one iteration or another (except maybe the 1960s) for a reason. High-waisted trousers with a short, boxy jacket create an aesthetically pleasing silhouette—and a much more masculine one, too.

The alteration Ton did to my photo with the waist suppression makes the jacket look more feminine, especially when combined with a longer jacket length. It could work in some cases where someone actually needs a slimming effect, but more often than not, it just throws off the proportions—much like in those Vanson photos I posted earlier.

As much as I hate to give this thread any more air I think the jacket as it stands is much more feminine. It reminds me of what you’d see in a free people catalog:

I also think you may not understand what a tailored jacket is. It’s not about creating a “slimming effect” it’s about highlighting your natural proportions and complimenting them.

To me that is far more masculine than throwing an oversized shell over your shoulders. I can appreciate the effort that you took to choose the ill fitting jacket on the old guy from Vansons site as a means to elevate the looks of your jacket. You’ve intentionally twisted your torso to make the jacket look less like a shapeless bag as well.

But hey man, if you like it, cool. Zangy would be proud!

 

[AbbaDatDeHat]

Zangy!!!
Good one Ton.
That’s ******* hilarious.
B

 

[Harris HTM]

Zangy

The truth is out there. I want to believe.

 

[ton312]

I see what he means by a “masculine silhouette”

 

[Rick Dalton]

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Looks like I struck a nerve. You just did exactly what you accused me of, only on steroids.

 

[jacketjunkie]

No need to be hostile, in the end, fashion is self expression and everyone should wear what they feel presents them best.

I think neither Vanson nor this jacket makes the wearer look feminine. I think a feminine person will look that in either jacket and a masculine person will look that part in either jacket as well. No jacket will you make more a man or less so.

 

[ton312]

Looks like I struck a nerve. You just did exactly what you accused me of, only on steroids.

Not exactly what you did, you just don’t like it. You could’ve spent two minutes on Google and found more appropriate comparisons for examples:

But instead you cherry picked some poor photos to fit your assertion. I on the other hand couldn’t find much other than what I posted from a google search. You’ve also made some assertions that flat out make absolutely no sense.:

The alteration Ton did to my photo with the waist suppression makes the jacket look more feminine, especially when combined with a longer jacket length. It could work in some cases where someone actually needs a slimming effect, but more often than not, it just throws off the proportions—much like in those Vanson photos I posted earlier.

This is a real head scratcher. Longer length, tailored fit throws off proportions? Really?

I understand you like the jacket. You have taken plenty of time to keep the discussion alive. Perhaps you can take the same time to adequately compare it to the fits of your other jackets with some photos of your own, to actually make your point effectively.