The BORSALINO BROTHERHOOD

[steur]

Hi Chaps, here's, a Borso i acquired last week, all the way from Mexico City made for the Mexican market. I had a wee conference with Stefan about this one and conclude it might be late 30s or early 40s, the latter is more likely i think.
As you can see by the size tag it's a 57, unfortunately the dame thing has shrunk bummer!!!.
So it's more like a 55 now. If anyone in interested in it let me no, other wise will go to ebay.
Cheers
Mike

View attachment 124555
View attachment 124556 View attachment 124557
View attachment 124558 View attachment 124559 View attachment 124560 View attachment 124561

It is a very nice find, Mike. The daylight pictures bring out the colour better. Judging by the ring around the brim it's been sitting upside down in a box for quite a while. Maybe someone can chime in about the possible meaning of the "xxx" designation underneath the borsalino logo. It reminded me of the "nutria" lettering which is done on some borsalino hats in the same way.

 

[steur]

Before this thread sinks too low. Here's an interesting find. Looking for vintage hats sometimes has you more or less upside down digging through piles of hats in a large bin (a dream come true for some here I guess). You have to wade your way through all the ho-hum and downright awful hats in search for a gem. This one I dug up by the feel of the felt alone. Dry shaping it a little I thought it had quite a nice shape to it, but even pinheads like myself strike out sometimes. It's nowhere near my size. Named Brasiliano Extra on the sweatband in a familiar font I thought it another fake Borsalino, until I looked at the label. It is in fact a real pre-war Borsalino. Size 54, no liner, raw edge brim at 6cm and crown at 9,5 cm at the pinch. I think the word on the label is Pisco, but I'm not sure.
At that price I couldn't leave it there.

 

[Bill Hughes]

Before this thread sinks too low. Here's an interesting find. Looking for vintage hats sometimes has you more or less upside down digging through piles of hats in a large bin (a dream come true for some here I guess). You have to wade your way through all the ho-hum and downright awful hats in search for a gem. This one I dug up by the feel of the felt alone. Dry shaping it a little I thought it had quite a nice shape to it, but even pinheads like myself strike out sometimes. It's nowhere near my size. Named Brasiliano Extra on the sweatband in a familiar font I thought it another fake Borsalino, until I looked at the label. It is in fact a real pre-war Borsalino. Size 54, no liner, raw edge brim at 6cm and crown at 9,5 cm at the pinch. I think the word on the label is Pisco, but I'm not sure.
At that price I couldn't leave it there.

View attachment 126010 View attachment 126011 View attachment 126012 View attachment 126013 View attachment 126014 View attachment 126015 View attachment 126016 View attachment 126017 View attachment 126018

It had to be rescued no matter the size. Good man!

 

[steur]

It had to be rescued no matter the size. Good man!

Exactly! Thanks, Bill. I wonder if anyone knows a hobbit with good taste in hats?

 

[mayserwegener]

It had to be rescued no matter the size. Good man!

Before this thread sinks too low. Here's an interesting find. Looking for vintage hats sometimes has you more or less upside down digging through piles of hats in a large bin (a dream come true for some here I guess). You have to wade your way through all the ho-hum and downright awful hats in search for a gem. This one I dug up by the feel of the felt alone. Dry shaping it a little I thought it had quite a nice shape to it, but even pinheads like myself strike out sometimes. It's nowhere near my size. Named Brasiliano Extra on the sweatband in a familiar font I thought it another fake Borsalino, until I looked at the label. It is in fact a real pre-war Borsalino. Size 54, no liner, raw edge brim at 6cm and crown at 9,5 cm at the pinch. I think the word on the label is Pisco, but I'm not sure.
At that price I couldn't leave it there.

View attachment 126010 View attachment 126011 View attachment 126012 View attachment 126013 View attachment 126014 View attachment 126015 View attachment 126016 View attachment 126017 View attachment 126018

Stefan, Super find! I am no sure what to make of that "Brasiliano" sweatband. Do you think it was modified later? I hope Daniele sees this one.

 

[steur]

Stefan, Super find! I am no sure what to make of that "Brasiliano" sweatband. Do you think it was modified later? I hope Daniele sees this one.

Steve, the sweatband looks to be original. Daniele has seen it and reacted too (maybe it was in the new hats thread). He's convinced it's one of Borsalinos' attempts to cover more of the market with different branded hats.

 

[jonesy86]

I'm pretty impatient and don't see too many vintage hats in 7 1/2 so, I'm thinking of breaking into the Borsalino Brotherhood with this:

Bencraft has it in stock for $290 but, I'm not sure about how well navy blue matches. I was thinking about sage. Any advice?

Peace!

 

[AbbaDatDeHat]

I'm pretty impatient and don't see too many vintage hats in 7 1/2 so, I'm thinking of breaking into the Borsalino Brotherhood with this:

View attachment 126362

Bencraft has it in stock for $290 but, I'm not sure about how well navy blue matches. I was thinking about sage. Any advice?

Peace!

Hey Jonesy:
If you’re wanting a Vintage Borsalino (and who doesn’t) you might try a WTB in the classifieds before you drop $290 on a new one. 7 1/2 or 6 1/2 Punti is a tough size but you never know if you don’t ask. The right audience might be out there and you may save some $$.
B

 

[mayserwegener]

Steve, the sweatband looks to be original. Daniele has seen it and reacted too (maybe it was in the new hats thread). He's convinced it's one of Borsalinos' attempts to cover more of the market with different branded hats.

Stefan, Sounds plausible. Here is a later one.

https://www.ebay.it/itm/323236337152?clk_rvr_id=1593052849274&rmvSB=true

 

[drmaxtejeda]

Stefan, Sounds plausible. Here is a later one.

https://www.ebay.it/itm/323236337152?clk_rvr_id=1593052849274&rmvSB=true

I think it says "it's been sold" in Italian.
Ah! i see it.
Sent from my LG-H870 using Tapatalk

 

[jonesy86]

Hey Jonesy:
If you’re wanting a Vintage Borsalino (and who doesn’t) you might try a WTB in the classifieds before you drop $290 on a new one. 7 1/2 or 6 1/2 Punti is a tough size but you never know if you don’t ask. The right audience might be out there and you may save some $$.
B

Thanks Bowen for the advice. You really steered me in the right direction in picking up that re-built Open Road from scotrace it is cool. Have to cool my jets.
Peace,

 

[Just Daniel]

Have you tried the Lagunilla Market, off Reforma just north of the Garibaldi station? On Sundays. There is one guy there, Javier, that sells only hats; once in a blue moon he has a very nice one. He is inside the market, more or less 50m east of the center point where you can buy fresh coconut milk and a michelada.

Tell Javier one of his gringo customers sent you

Most of the Borsalinos in DF are black, from the Jewish population. The other many sales booths sometimes have a hat or two, it is hit or miss.

On Saturdays the antique market in Roma Norte, off Ave Cuahtemoc also has a hat or two; the same guy from Lagunilla will be there in the center square.

If you really get adventurous, he in to Tianguis Los Torres. That's where a lot of the Saturday and Sunday crowd buy their wares to sell on the weekends.

Good luck! There are plenty of nice finds to be made in Mexico City!

Daniel

Hey, I live in Mexico City, and I had no idea I could find something like that here. Do you mind if I ask how you found it?

Sent from my LG-H870 using Tapatalk

 

[AbbaDatDeHat]

Thanks Bowen for the advice. You really steered me in the right direction in picking up that re-built Open Road from scotrace it is cool. Have to cool my jets.
Peace,

Glad the OR worked out. Thought you might like it.
Cool your jets?? Ha ha...heard you say that bout jackets before! Lol
It’s “Retirement Syndrome”.
B

 

[drmaxtejeda]

Have you tried the Lagunilla Market, off Reforma just north of the Garibaldi station? On Sundays. There is one guy there, Javier, that sells only hats; once in a blue moon he has a very nice one. He is inside the market, more or less 50m east of the center point where you can buy fresh coconut milk and a michelada.

Tell Javier one of his gringo customers sent you

Most of the Borsalinos in DF are black, from the Jewish population. The other many sales booths sometimes have a hat or two, it is hit or miss.

On Saturdays the antique market in Roma Norte, off Ave Cuahtemoc also has a hat or two; the same guy from Lagunilla will be there in the center square.

If you really get adventurous, he in to Tianguis Los Torres. That's where a lot of the Saturday and Sunday crowd buy their wares to sell on the weekends.

Good luck! There are plenty of nice finds to be made in Mexico City!

Daniel

Muchas gracias, Daniel.

I just copied your entire post. Where is Tianguis Los Torres?

I live in Zona Esmeralda, North-West of Satélite, so I hardly ever go to the city. I do know where the Lagunilla is, and I will find the antique market.

Do you live in Mexico City, Daniel?

Sent from my LG-H870 using Tapatalk

 

[drmaxtejeda]

Have you tried the Lagunilla Market, off Reforma just north of the Garibaldi station? On Sundays. There is one guy there, Javier, that sells only hats; once in a blue moon he has a very nice one. He is inside the market, more or less 50m east of the center point where you can buy fresh coconut milk and a michelada.

Tell Javier one of his gringo customers sent you

Most of the Borsalinos in DF are black, from the Jewish population. The other many sales booths sometimes have a hat or two, it is hit or miss.

On Saturdays the antique market in Roma Norte, off Ave Cuahtemoc also has a hat or two; the same guy from Lagunilla will be there in the center square.

If you really get adventurous, he in to Tianguis Los Torres. That's where a lot of the Saturday and Sunday crowd buy their wares to sell on the weekends.

Good luck! There are plenty of nice finds to be made in Mexico City!

Daniel

Found tianguis Las Torres on Google. No wonder you said "if you're feeling adventurous". Damn! I'd rather not.


Sent from my LG-H870 using Tapatalk

 

[Just Daniel]

I lived in Mexico City a while for work, now I live in Peru.

The Lagunilla market is the largest antique market in the city, only on Sundays. The market itself is huge, but the antiques portion extends parallel to Reforma going north from the boxing monument. There are three branches that work east into the main market. Javier is in the second, or middle branch. If you walk the Reforma section you'll come to a large stand selling coconut water and pineapple juice; buy the big one with vodka and you'll be set for the morning Turn right at that point and head east, Javier will be on the north side of the branch. Directly to his front is an older guy who also sometimes has some hats.

Any work you need on hats you can have done at Sombrereria Escandon, one of the last ones in the city. The one-man operation resizes, cleans, blocks, etc.

Back to Borsalinos, the only ones I saw in el DF were black, mostly 70s at the oldest. With a little work you can definitely find a gem!

Daniel

Found tianguis Las Torres on Google. No wonder you said "if you're feeling adventurous". Damn! I'd rather not.


Sent from my LG-H870 using Tapatalk

 

[drmaxtejeda]

I lived in Mexico City a while for work, now I live in Peru.

The Lagunilla market is the largest antique market in the city, only on Sundays. The market itself is huge, but the antiques portion extends parallel to Reforma going north from the boxing monument. There are three branches that work east into the main market. Javier is in the second, or middle branch. If you walk the Reforma section you'll come to a large stand selling coconut water and pineapple juice; buy the big one with vodka and you'll be set for the morning Turn right at that point and head east, Javier will be on the north side of the branch. Directly to his front is an older guy who also sometimes has some hats.

Any work you need on hats you can have done at Sombrereria Escandon, one of the last ones in the city. The one-man operation resizes, cleans, blocks, etc.

Back to Borsalinos, the only ones I saw in el DF were black, mostly 70s at the oldest. With a little work you can definitely find a gem!

Daniel

Funny how you know so much about Mexico City and I, who have lived very close to it for so long, don't.
I knew about sombrerería Escandón, but none of the rest. I know Mexico City from Las Torres de Satélite to La Zona Esmeralda only.

Thank you, Daniel. Too bad I didn'tvget to know you when you lived here.

Sent from my LG-H870 using Tapatalk

 

[steur]

Stefan, Sounds plausible. Here is a later one.

https://www.ebay.it/itm/323236337152?clk_rvr_id=1593052849274&rmvSB=true

Steve, thanks. Maybe once we know what to look for, these things pop up everywhere (if only)

 

[mayserwegener]

My friend in Germany received this from his Borsalino rep. Also heard from my friend that Fall / Winter orders have already been shipped.

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-...BN1K22QC?feedType=RSS&feedName=innovationNews

Caveat -> Camperio

 

[jonesy86]

I am looking at a new Como in Navy:

I would like to know what the general opinion of the quality/value of these new hats say compared to a custom beaver?

Peace