Schott Perfecto fur collar

[tweedydon]

I'm not a big fan of faux fur, but Schott will happily make a detachable collar using either sheepskin or mouton for a price that's pretty close to that which they charge for their faux fur.

I'm leaning towards dark brown mouton, but does anyone have any pictures of Schott real fur collars?

Thanks!

 

[Aloysius]

I'm leaning towards dark brown mouton, but does anyone have any pictures of Schott real fur collars?

Here's my black one–anything else would have looked wrong with Schott's glossy black horsehide–and you can find the others by looking at the photos of Schott flight (and other) jackets that have brown real mouton collars.

 

[tweedydon]

Awesome--thank you! And you've converted me to the black collar with your pic!

 

[Edward]

I'll be interested to hear about your experience on this. I'd like a collar for my 618; I'd be satisfied with the standard option, though tempted by real mouton if there's no significant difference in price as they aren't cheap, really. For me, it'll be black - partly I'm not so keen on mixing black and brown, partly as it was inspired by photos of Johnny Thunders in a black jacket with a black furry collar.

 

[Aloysius]

I'll be interested to hear about your experience on this. I'd like a collar for my 618; I'd be satisfied with the standard option, though tempted by real mouton if there's no significant difference in price as they aren't cheap, really. For me, it'll be black - partly I'm not so keen on mixing black and brown, partly as it was inspired by photos of Johnny Thunders in a black jacket with a black furry collar.

I’ve posted mine and about ordering it, actually inspired somewhat by our conversations about the one Johnny Thunders had. Although his jacket with the mouton was a women’s jacket, not sure which model.

It’s a much softer mouton than my Aero collars, not that they’re bad.

 

[Edward]

I’ve posted mine and about ordering it, actually inspired somewhat by our conversations about the one Johnny Thunders had. Although his jacket with the mouton was a women’s jacket, not sure which model.

It’s a much softer mouton than my Aero collars, not that they’re bad.

I'll check that out. Yeah, that's the same photo I'm thinking of. AFAIK, the photo was taken later on (I think...), but presumably the jacket was a relic from NY Dolls days.

 

[tweedydon]

I'll be interested to hear about your experience on this. I'd like a collar for my 618; I'd be satisfied with the standard option, though tempted by real mouton if there's no significant difference in price as they aren't cheap, really. For me, it'll be black - partly I'm not so keen on mixing black and brown, partly as it was inspired by photos of Johnny Thunders in a black jacket with a black furry collar.

I've been quoted :

Sheepskin collar (available colors see style 257S on our website) - $150

Mouton collar (available colors - black and dark brown) - $165

They also ask you to send your jacket in to them so they can align the studs, as these are collars are custom made. So, there's that cost also--as well as $20 to ship the jacket back. So, a bit more than $200 for a custom mouton collar. That IS a lot... but the faux fur collars are $125, and so an upcharge of $75 is pretty reasonable.

And I've been converted to the black collar!

 

[Aloysius]

I've been quoted :

Sheepskin collar (available colors see style 257S on our website) - $150

Mouton collar (available colors - black and dark brown) - $165

They also ask you to send your jacket in to them so they can align the studs, as these are collars are custom made. So, there's that cost also--as well as $20 to ship the jacket back. So, a bit more than $200 for a custom mouton collar. That IS a lot... but the faux fur collars are $125, and so an upcharge of $75 is pretty reasonable.

And I've been converted to the black collar!

I think for someone like Edward who already owns the 618 (and lives abroad so the cost of posting the jacket would be a bit of a waste), it would probably be worth asking if they can just make the stock faux fur collar, except with the real thing, in the size that corresponds to his jacket's size, since it is set up for that.

For what it's worth, my collar for my modern 42 (which measures like a 50s 44) fits my 50s 42 so Schott has more or less kept the pattern similar over the past few decades, such that even a size off still works.

 

[jeo]

I'm leaning towards dark brown mouton, but does anyone have any pictures of Schott real fur collars?

Here’s my dark brown Schott collar. Based on the Schott ticket it’s from the 90’s. I bought it secondhand on eBay, so I don’t know for sure if it’s real fur or not. My guess would be no. It does have a similar look and feel as many of my original mouton collars. Feels nice and soft too. Hope this helps.

 

[tweedydon]

Thank you, jeo!

 

[Edward]

I've been quoted :

Sheepskin collar (available colors see style 257S on our website) - $150

Mouton collar (available colors - black and dark brown) - $165

They also ask you to send your jacket in to them so they can align the studs, as these are collars are custom made. So, there's that cost also--as well as $20 to ship the jacket back. So, a bit more than $200 for a custom mouton collar. That IS a lot... but the faux fur collars are $125, and so an upcharge of $75 is pretty reasonable.

And I've been converted to the black collar!

Thanks. The upcharge does seem reasonable, but sending a jacket from here to there would be the killer...

I think for someone like Edward who already owns the 618 (and lives abroad so the cost of posting the jacket would be a bit of a waste), it would probably be worth asking if they can just make the stock faux fur collar, except with the real thing, in the size that corresponds to his jacket's size, since it is set up for that.

For what it's worth, my collar for my modern 42 (which measures like a 50s 44) fits my 50s 42 so Schott has more or less kept the pattern similar over the past few decades, such that even a size off still works.

That would be more practical, yes - I think I'll have a looksee into that.

Here’s my dark brown Schott collar. Based on the Schott ticket it’s from the 90’s. I bought it secondhand on eBay, so I don’t know for sure if it’s real fur or not. My guess would be no. It does have a similar look and feel as many of my original mouton collars. Feels nice and soft too. Hope this helps.

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Does look good! I've often wondered whether there's any relationship between their different models of jackets that take a fur collar. I did find some suggestion online that the one from the 184SM *will* fit the Perfecto as well, though it's got to be the right size - they're labelled in Perfecto 618 sizes, and you have to go a size different (up, from memory) for the others. That brown one certainly looks very like the one they sell on a brown 184SM. The latter is a jacket I'd also consider for a Winter layerer if ever one came up at a price I couldn't refuse.

 

[Aloysius]

Thanks. The upcharge does seem reasonable, but sending a jacket from here to there would be the killer...

I have a feeling it won't be necessary for your jacket.

In my case it was a modern 613, which didn't have the collar snaps to begin with which the 118 and 618 do, so they needed to do both.

 

[jeo]

Does look good! I've often wondered whether there's any relationship between their different models of jackets that take a fur collar. I did find some suggestion online that the one from the 184SM *will* fit the Perfecto as well, though it's got to be the right size - they're labelled in Perfecto 618 sizes, and you have to go a size different (up, from memory) for the others. That brown one certainly looks very like the one they sell on a brown 184SM. The latter is a jacket I'd also consider for a Winter layerer if ever one came up at a price I couldn't refuse.

Thanks. Just looked it over and this one is in fact the 184SM, size 38. For some reason I also thought it had the 10 digit code, but it doesn’t so it puts the collar before 1993. Not all the snaps line up but enough of them do so that it fits a 618 in the same size.

 

[Edward]

Thanks. Just looked it over and this one is in fact the 184SM, size 38. For some reason I also thought it had the 10 digit code, but it doesn’t so it puts the collar before 1993. Not all the snaps line up but enough of them do so that it fits a 618 in the same size.

Useful to know! Thanks.