Schott 574 with a Supreme label, factory applied or tomfoolery?

[chillinginthenameof]

Picked this up, very nice never had a 574 before. Has a supreme label though when it shouldn't, any stitching experts that can pass judgement if this looks like a label swap or factory applied? Schott confirmed the jacket is real but wouldn't touch any supreme questions so i bring it to you lot.

 

[Aloysius]

The first Google result was one of these jackets in black.

I'm pretty sure Schott would tell you if it were fake.

 

[chillinginthenameof]

The first Google result was one of these jackets in black.

I'm pretty sure Schott would tell you if it were fake.

I think when it comes to commenting on collabs it gets legally complicated. I didn't want to read to much into it as it could be taken either way.

The label matches a 2012 Supreme x Schott release. This jacket shouldn't have that as Schott confirmed it's a 2015 jacket and by then the their collabs used a different label. Also there was never a collab released based on a 574.

That's why this jacket shouldn't have a Supreme label so I'm wondering if it looks factory applied or not.

 

[Guppy]

Curious.

I have no idea.

I also don't get what all the fuss is about Supreme. Somehow they got a lot of people obsessed with them but I don't get it myself.

 

[chillinginthenameof]

Curious.

I have no idea.

I also don't get what all the fuss is about Supreme. Somehow they got a lot of people obsessed with them but I don't get it myself.

No idea either, whatever they did it certainly worked.

I also noticed a blob of white under the Made in USA tag and what looks like chalky lines on he bottom right. No idea if relevant, investigation ongoing.

 

[Matsumoto]

Interesting jacket. Strange that Schott won't say anything about Supreme on this.

Is there mention of Supreme on any other labels the jacket has?
Your jacket also doesn't have the exact same label as the one from 2012, as that one has the red Supreme logo.

My guess would be that it's either a sample, or a (very well done) label swap.
The stitching/needlework on the label is impeccable so I think that's unlikely, however I'm a very amateur stitcher.

Might be worth asking around a Supreme specific forum to see if they know much.

With regard to Supreme's massive popularity, their designs are cool (imo ) and they release in relatively limited numbers. They also sponsor skaters/artists etc. so they've got a lot of visibility. Absolutely not everyone's taste!

 

[chillinginthenameof]

Interesting jacket. Strange that Schott won't say anything about Supreme on this.

Is there mention of Supreme on any other labels the jacket has?
Your jacket also doesn't have the exact same label as the one from 2012, as that one has the red Supreme logo.

My guess would be that it's either a sample, or a (very well done) label swap.
The stitching/needlework on the label is impeccable so I think that's unlikely, however I'm a very amateur stitcher.

Might be worth asking around a Supreme specific forum to see if they know much.

With regard to Supreme's massive popularity, their designs are cool (imo ) and they release in relatively limited numbers. They also sponsor skaters/artists etc. so they've got a lot of visibility. Absolutely not everyone's taste!

My hunch is Schott's policy is they can't comment on this kind of thing either way so I'm not reading much into that.

It just says supreme on the neck label, pocket tag is regular good old Schott serial codes.

Here's the label it matches with, it's a particular Japanese release from 2012 with a floral lining.

 

[l0fielectronic]

Quite often with such lines there will be several test pieces to decide what goes into final production so possible this is such a jacket... though it doesn't explain why its three years after the colab... unless there was another line or one which didn't work out in the end.

 

[chillinginthenameof]

I wish i knew more about the design process on Supreme Schott collabs.

An interesting thing i noted was that up until 2016 all the Schott collabs that had A-2 on the label weren't actually A-2 patterns but kind of a G1 thing. The first clearly A-2 inspired pattern then collabed on was released in 2016 the year after this jacket was made. The 2016 collab is different in design to this jacket as mine is a standard 574 model, which in itself seems to be a more fashion A-2 pattern than a strict repro.

If this is a label swap i want to find that rascal because my beloved Brooks gold label needs some work doing on it.

 

[chillinginthenameof]

I went down the rabbit hole.

- Tried to track this jacket back as far as i could and got to an April 2025 grailed listing.
- It's listed as a Schott, not a Supreme X Schott. Label not visible in the only remaining picture.
- Messaged the seller asking if it had a Supreme label. He said no just good old Schott. Game over.
- Grailed seller told me he remembers he sold it on ebay.
- I find found it on eBay from May 2025 using the "research product" tool . Only one photo viewable. There is a Supreme logo staring back at me provocatively. Game unover.
- Completed the rest of the custody chain back down to me. Grailed > ebay I > ebay II > Vinted > Your boy.

According to the info i pulled from the first grailed listing the photo was uploaded as a draft in October 2024 so that that's 18 months accounted for 114 months to go.

Also inspected the neck line, hem, and left arm lining stitching for tomfoolery needed to get to that label. Again no expert but i can't see any tomfoolery. Investigation ongoing.

 

[Aloysius]

Quite often with such lines there will be several test pieces to decide what goes into final production so possible this is such a jacket... though it doesn't explain why its three years after the colab... unless there was another line or one which didn't work out in the end.

Case in point, I own the test sample of this Schott Japan 110th Anniversary jacket. Identical except for solid lining and a Schott zipper instead of Talon so it seems like we're dealing with the same thing here.

 

[chillinginthenameof]

Case in point, I own the test sample of this Schott Japan 110th Anniversary jacket. Identical except for solid lining and a Schott zipper instead of Talon so it seems like we're dealing with the same thing here.

Now that is interesting thanks for sharing it. Does it have regular a regular 658 model number on the pocket tag or does it have something mark it as a 110th anniversary edition/sample?

 

[Aloysius]

Now that is interesting thanks for sharing it. Does it have regular a regular 658 model number on the pocket tag or does it have something mark it as a 110th anniversary edition/sample?

No model number tag, and I meant to add the leather is different from the released 658US; it seems to be the same thickness but it's dyed-through black instead of predistressed brown with a black finish.

But I think this is similar to your situation given your color is also different from the released one while sharing the special label without the special lining. Because they only have so much of whatever custom lining cloth they commissioned, whereas using an extra label is pretty easy because it's a tiny little piece.

 

[chillinginthenameof]

Interesting yours has no model tag but mine has a regular pocket tag with full serials.
Seems there are a million overlapping terms for these kind of things. Mock up, Concept piece, Test piece, Sample room oddity, Non retail sample, Development sample, Showroom sample, Distributor sample. I'm not sure if that means different things for serial numbers and pocket tags.

I'm not sure there's anything going on with the lining choice in mine as it just seems to be an off the rack 574 aside from the supreme label and a VMF-224 Bengal Tigers military patch on the left chest which no released Supreme x Schott or standalone Schott piece has ever had. (if this is even real).

 

[Aloysius]

Interesting yours has no model tag but mine has a regular pocket tag with full serials.
Seems there are a million overlapping terms for these kind of things. Mock up, Concept piece, Test piece, Sample room oddity, Non retail sample, Development sample, Showroom sample, Distributor sample. I'm not sure if that means different things for serial numbers and pocket tags.

Yeah these test samples have a lot of variety. There are tons of them in Schott's factory sale every year.

 

[chillinginthenameof]

Yeah these test samples have a lot of variety. There are tons of them in Schott's factory sale every year.

Another interesting quirk is this jacket didn't go the factory sale route. Schott's records show it shipped in a standard wholesale consignment to their exclusive Swiss distributor in 2015. Processed like any other jacket in the system it seems. I can't make head nor tail of any of it.

 

[chillinginthenameof]

I've ran out of leads so i just thought I'd recap and put all the photos together in one post so it's easier to browse through the whole story. Also thanks to everyone who contributed so far! I did contact some Supreme and Schott obsessives on instagram and am still waiting on replies. If anyone knows anything or has any ideas you can always DM me.

Things that are confirmed.

- Schott confirmed it is a genuine Schott jacket model 574 made in 2015. They wouldn't comment on if it was a "sample" or collab probably for legal reasons that could be taken either way.
- Schott confirmed it was sold wholesale consignment to their Swiss distributor Starfashion SA in 2015. In 2015 Starfashion became a distributor with direct retail after 14 years of wholesale. No idea if relevant.
- The furthest i could trace the jacket back was to 2025 on eBay with the label visible and a 2024 grailed listing where i couldn't see the label. These accounts belonged to the same seller.
- The Supreme label is a dead match to a limited Japan release Supreme x Schott collab from 2012.

Things that are still unconfirmed.

- The big one, did it leave the factory with the Supreme label and patch?
- I can't find a single piece of evidence this was tampered with but I'm no expert.

The photos

Front and back

Comparison between the 2012 Japan limited release collab (top) and my label (bottom)

Odd white markings on the label

Close up of the label stitching

Neck line stitching

Hem stitching

Left arm lining seam stitching

Lining behind the patch showing it wasn't sewn right through

Vmf-224 patch.

 

[chillinginthenameof]

Zip and tag

 

[chillinginthenameof]

Update -

Someone from the Swiss Schott Distributor Starfashion SA kindly got back to me. They said they had no record of it and it may possibly be a sample that wasn't chosen for production. To me this may explain the lack of records as it wouldn't be commercial stock meant for sale. They mentioned it could have possibly been sold through a factory sale but i doubt Supreme would allow that and i have never found an example of this.

Schott still say it was sent to Starfashion SA. When i asked about how they handle samples they said Supreme samples get sent back to Supreme. I don't know if this is a firm rule or if this was the case back in 2015 as that was still the early days of Supreme X Schott collaborations. I also don't really know what counts as a sample as there are many different terms and types of these items.

Also it's surprisingly hard to get the right people to take a look at this. I contacted the big Supreme collectors/archivists should be interested in unusual/unique pieces but can't seem to get a reply.