Past Lives and Einstein's Theory of Spooky Science at a Distance...

[Lean'n'mean]

And boy is he turning out to be wrong on several theories... Hah!

It is inevitable that most theories will be proven wrong at some point, but it's always easier to disprove a theory than it is to conceive one.

 

[philosophygirl78]

You wrote....

“The only way known that I am aware of is to first prove that you ‘could not exist’. Only by
proving the alternative to existence can you begin to explain existence itself.”

So my question is: how do you prove that you “could not exist” ?

Thanks.

There are various methods of negation, however, I am particular to the concept of 'emptiness' and 'voidness' in Sunyata.

The result of any attachments to a 'reality' result in sufferring ie (questioning, doubt, delusion). By way of understanding what creates the doubt, the only thing that remains to have validity without delusions is a void. It is by way of this void that one returns to 'zero' so to speak. A place where there is nothing. And where there is nothing, there is truth because there is no attachments or delusions to arise from 'nothing'. Hence, one can begin to independently and with pureness investigate a 'thing'. Because, there isnt a 'thing'.

It is not a simple subject in anyway, but very worth discussing.

 

[Rudie]

That is Deterministic. That is one way of looking at it. I prefer Freewill...

I don't see where this is deterministic. I just described how the subconscious mind works. Everybody is free to change their subconscious programming however they choose (provided they find a way to do so).

 

[philosophygirl78]

It is inevitable that most theories will be proven wrong at some point, but it's always easier to disprove a theory than it is to concieve one.

I would say it is easier to conceive one that to disprove one. The prior requires no understanding, while the latter requires some degree of knowledge.

 

[Lean'n'mean]

I would say it is easier to conceive one that to disprove one. The prior requires no understanding, while the latter requires some degree of knowledge.

The prior requires insight while the latter requires training..

 

[Lean'n'mean]

A place where there is nothing. And where there is nothing, there is truth

Well if there is nothing there can be no truth, as truth is something ain't it ?

Hence, one can begin to independently and with pureness investigate a 'thing'. Because, there isnt a 'thing'..

There is, the investigator.

 

[philosophygirl78]

Well if there is nothing there can be no truth, as truth is something ain't it ?




There is, the investigator.

Not so. 'nothing' in Mahayana Philosophy is not used in that context. It means a sort of essence. Here is a good source (refer to the section on "Emptyness" http://plato.stanford.edu/entries/nagarjuna/#EmpSva.

It is a philosophical exercise to eliminate conceptualized ideas of things and an attempt to ascertain things as they truly are.

 

[HudsonHawk]

This thread is quickly becoming one of my "Most Disturbing Realizations".

 

[Bamaboots]

This thread is quickly becoming one of my "Most Disturbing Realizations".

I'm with you. It's caused me to want to either go back and read some of the things I just skimmed over in my 70's youth, or fire up a hot one as I did back then and just think.

 

[HudsonHawk]

I'm with you. It's caused me to want to either go back and read some of the things I just skimmed over in my 70's youth, or fire up a hot one as I did back then and just think.

Yeah...all good stuff, but there's a lot going on here.

 

[philosophygirl78]

That is Deterministic. That is one way of looking at it. I prefer Freewill...

you stated "Only, most of the time we are doing it unconsciously. The subconscious mind is the single most powerful goal achieving agency known to man. Whatever it is programmed to do it will achieve. It has no choice because it cannot judge."

this implies that there is some greater force or unknown force at work allows this subconscious activity. Being 'programmed' also denotes a form of control of an unknown origin.

hence, Determinism, albeit, perhaps Soft Determinism which is becoming increasingly popular in the study of the The Mind/Body Problem.

 

[philosophygirl78]

Yeah...all good stuff, but there's a lot going on here.

HAH! I didnt mean for it to get so profound. Just thought it would be cute to further the 'past lives' thread i saw someone had posted earlier in the week.

 

[Bolero]

you stated "Only, most of the time we are doing it unconsciously. The subconscious mind is the single most powerful goal achieving agency known to man. Whatever it is programmed to do it will achieve. It has no choice because it cannot judge."

this implies that there is some greater force or unknown force at work allows this subconscious activity. Being 'programmed' also denotes a form of control of an unknown origin.

hence, Determinism, albeit, perhaps Soft Determinism which is becoming increasingly popular in the study of the The Mind/Body Problem.

These Postings have become too abstract, they don't go anywhere...Remind me a lot of this fellow... Prof Irwin Corey of the 70's.

 

[philosophygirl78]

These Postings have become too abstract, they don't go anywhere...Remind me a lot of this fellow... Prof Irwin Corey of the 70's.

I wouldnt say its abstract, but it does seem like each member had a different take on the thread subject so it evolved into various topics....

 

[HudsonHawk]

I would say it is easier to conceive one that to disprove one. The prior requires no understanding, while the latter requires some degree of knowledge.

Perhaps it's more accurate to say it's easier to criticize than it is to put forth any credible understanding of a subject. In fact, that's probably demonstrated daily on internet forums ranging from quantum mechanics to how to bake a cherry pie.

 

[Lean'n'mean]

It is a philosophical exercise to eliminate conceptualized ideas of things and an attempt to ascertain things as they truly are.

Isn't truth a conceptualized idea ? Isn't truth a distraction in it's self ? Isn't the search for truth just a desire to satisfy one's ego ? isn't truth a delusion ?
After eliminating all conceptualized ideas of things, does he, who is attempting to ascertain things as they truly are, not risk having the truth , tainted or corrupted by his own preconceptions of himself & the methods he used to ascertain the truth ?
If an object only exists through the senses of those who have a conceptualized idea of it's being, then it's non-existance would exclude all knowledge of it's existance & so those who are attempting to ascertain the thing as it truly is, wouldn't know what it is they were trying to ascertain..

" The truth is elsewhere "

 

[Lean'n'mean]

HAH! I didnt mean for it to get so profound.

Profound ? I have the impression we've hardly scratched the surface.

 

[Rudie]

you stated "Only, most of the time we are doing it unconsciously. The subconscious mind is the single most powerful goal achieving agency known to man. Whatever it is programmed to do it will achieve. It has no choice because it cannot judge."

this implies that there is some greater force or unknown force at work allows this subconscious activity. Being 'programmed' also denotes a form of control of an unknown origin.

hence, Determinism, albeit, perhaps Soft Determinism which is becoming increasingly popular in the study of the The Mind/Body Problem.

I beg to disagree. In my experience as a clinical hypnotist this is how the subconscious mind works. This is not theoretical but my understanding from clinical practice. I don't know if there is some greater force at work. I can't see where I implied that. By being programmed I mean that we are being programmed by our life experiences. By what happens to us, by our parents', teachers', friends' words and actions and so on. Children do not have developed a critical faculty of the conscious mind yet. Until it has developed any idea or suggestion is admitted into the SCM and becomes programming. Only after the CF has formed are we somewhat protected from unwanted input. The problem is that the CF does not automatically reject bad programming and allows good programming. Instead, it accepts that what is already known, because that is what feels secure to the SCM. If early on as a child you had a lot of negative programming that is the default and the CF rejects positive contrasting ideas while still accepting negative ideas that reinforce the negative programming already inside the SCM. So let's assume while still in the womb the child hears and feels mommy and daddy arguing about abortion. A powerful initial sensitizing event is set. The unborn child only understands this on a feeling level but it is there and it's the first impression. If the parents then decide to have the baby and from then on love it with all their hearts nothing bad happens as the ISE isn't reinforced. But if they get the child and then keep on reinforcing the first perception of being unwanted, then this becomes a powerful negative programming. Chances are high the child is not only feeling unwanted - consciously or subconsciously - but also guilty for being there and spoiling mommy's and daddy's lives. If the subconscious guilt isn't resolved it becomes a calling for self-punishment and the SCM is going to find a way to punish you. In a clinical setting, a significant amount of those people develop cancer at a later stage. Unresolved emotional trauma always affects the body if it persists long enough. Could also lead to fibromyalgia, asthma, arthritis or any other chronic illness. Still, we have choices. By bypassing the CF we can change the subconscious perception and programming. My preferred choice to do this is hypnosis but there are also other ways. In my book there is nothing deterministic about this.

 

[philosophygirl78]

Perhaps it's more accurate to say it's easier to criticize than it is to put forth any credible understanding of a subject. In fact, that's probably demonstrated daily on internet forums ranging from quantum mechanics to how to bake a cherry pie.

"criticize that it is to put forth..." pls clarify.

Everyone learns from questioning. Everyone. Perhaps not enough emphasis is placed on this in the modern education system which results in forums that talk about 'cherry pies' and such.. no?

 

[philosophygirl78]

Profound ? I have the impression we've hardly scratched the surface.

Hah! I hope so!! although there seems to be some crticism on this topic from a few recent posts on this thread... perhaps its the the place to discuss these topics?