Past Lives and Einstein's Theory of Spooky Science at a Distance...

[philosophygirl78]

Hah! I hope so!! although there seems to be some crticism on this topic from a few recent posts on this thread... perhaps its the the place to discuss these topics?

#not the place. typo

 

[HudsonHawk]

"criticize that it is to put forth..." pls clarify.

I'm not sure I understand what's not clear. I suggested that it's often easier to try to poke holes at someone else's creations than to come up with one of your own. It's what gives us music critics and sports writers.

Everyone learns from questioning. Everyone. Perhaps not enough emphasis is placed on this in the modern education system which results in forums that talk about 'cherry pies' and such.. no?

What's wrong with discussing cherry pie? All work and no play makes Jack a dull boy.

 

[philosophygirl78]

I'm not sure I understand what's not clear. I suggested that it's often easier to try to poke holes at someone else's creations than to come up with one of your own. It's what gives us music critics and sports writers.



What's wrong with discussing cherry pie? All work and no play makes Jack a dull boy.

people play in imdifferent ways i suppose...

 

[philosophygirl78]

Isn't truth a conceptualized idea ? Isn't truth a distraction in it's self ? Isn't the search for truth just a desire to satisfy one's ego ? isn't truth a delusion ?
After eliminating all conceptualized ideas of things, does he, who is attempting to ascertain things as they truly are, not risk having the truth , tainted or corrupted by his own preconceptions of himself & the methods he used to ascertain the truth ?
If an object only exists through the senses of those who have a conceptualized idea of it's being, then it's non-existance would exclude all knowledge of it's existance & so those who are attempting to ascertain the thing as it truly is, wouldn't know what it is they were trying to ascertain..

" The truth is elsewhere "

the short answer to your reply is Yes. The long answer is No. The practice of achieving Sunyata is a lifelong pursuit. And while it may never be fully achieved by most (myself included), it is one of the best ways to deter otherwise mass level red herrings and fallacious lifestyle ideals that otherwise bombard us everyday; in our interactions with people, in the media, in school, and everywhere else. I cannot think of a better way to remain as unbias, aware, and skeptic as possible... Can you?

 

[Lean'n'mean]

the short answer to your reply is Yes. The long answer is No.

I'll take the short answer, I have a very short attention span.

 

[philosophygirl78]

I beg to disagree. In my experience as a clinical hypnotist this is how the subconscious mind works. This is not theoretical but my understanding from clinical practice. I don't know if there is some greater force at work. I can't see where I implied that. By being programmed I mean that we are being programmed by our life experiences. By what happens to us, by our parents', teachers', friends' words and actions and so on. Children do not have developed a critical faculty of the conscious mind yet. Until it has developed any idea or suggestion is admitted into the SCM and becomes programming. Only after the CF has formed are we somewhat protected from unwanted input. The problem is that the CF does not automatically reject bad programming and allows good programming. Instead, it accepts that what is already known, because that is what feels secure to the SCM. If early on as a child you had a lot of negative programming that is the default and the CF rejects positive contrasting ideas while still accepting negative ideas that reinforce the negative programming already inside the SCM. So let's assume while still in the womb the child hears and feels mommy and daddy arguing about abortion. A powerful initial sensitizing event is set. The unborn child only understands this on a feeling level but it is there and it's the first impression. If the parents then decide to have the baby and from then on love it with all their hearts nothing bad happens as the ISE isn't reinforced. But if they get the child and then keep on reinforcing the first perception of being unwanted, then this becomes a powerful negative programming. Chances are high the child is not only feeling unwanted - consciously or subconsciously - but also guilty for being there and spoiling mommy's and daddy's lives. If the subconscious guilt isn't resolved it becomes a calling for self-punishment and the SCM is going to find a way to punish you. In a clinical setting, a significant amount of those people develop cancer at a later stage. Unresolved emotional trauma always affects the body if it persists long enough. Could also lead to fibromyalgia, asthma, arthritis or any other chronic illness. Still, we have choices. By bypassing the CF we can change the subconscious perception and programming. My preferred choice to do this is hypnosis but there are also other ways. In my book there is nothing deterministic about this.

Operant Conditioning can be very effective yes.... But we have moved the discussion from philosophy to psychology in this regard. Psychology, while a very valuable addition to society and science, is likewise very young. Moving away from science, I am a believer in hypnotherapy. Not only in the sense of conditioning, but in the study of Past Lives. In college, I took a course with Brian Weiss, author of Many Lives, Many Masters. It was one of the best courses I ever took. He is truly a pioneer in this field.

I also like, "All we are ever dealing with is a thought, and a thought can be changed" - Louise Hay -

 

[philosophygirl78]

I'll take the short answer, I have a very short attention span.

HAH! Perhaps...

 

[Lean'n'mean]

I cannot think of a better way to remain as unbias, aware, and skeptic as possible... Can you?

Yes I can, the more you think, the more options you have.

 

[philosophygirl78]

Yes I can, the more you think, the more options you have.

Straw Man Fallacy.

 

[Lean'n'mean]

Ouch !!!

 

[philosophygirl78]

Ouch !!!

Cherry Pie took first poke...

but no, seriously, you think these subjects are too much for this forum?

 

[emigran]

I have thoroughly enjoyed this thread... particularly since I joined FL to learn about Fedoras...I commend all your sincere efforts to define reality for us out here in the ether... All I can think of now is the adage of the great sage...
To do is to be
To be is to do
Doo Bee Doo Bee Doo (Sinatra)

 

[philosophygirl78]

I have thoroughly enjoyed this thread... particularly since I joined FL to learn about Fedoras...I commend all your sincere efforts to define reality for us out here in the ether... All I can think of now is the adage of the great sage...
To do is to be
To be is to do
Doo Bee Doo Bee Doo (Sinatra)

Thanks @emigran! I love Frank!!

 

[Bamaboots]

but no, seriously, you think these subjects are too much for this forum?

I think this forum is perfect for the discussion of these subjects. There is such diversity here among the participants in their education and experiences and for the most part, the people are kind, considerate and more than willing to help. Some, such as I, may inject a little humor into a discussion when ignorant of some of the points but I don't think this thread would have reached seven pages if folks weren't interested.

Keep it coming. I've read it all. Part of my continuing education.

 

[philosophygirl78]

I think this forum is perfect for the discussion of these subjects. There is such diversity here among the participants in their education and experiences and for the most part, the people are kind, considerate and more than willing to help. Some, such as I, may inject a little humor into a discussion when ignorant of some of the points but I don't think this thread would have reached seven pages if folks weren't interested.

Keep it coming. I've read it all. Part of my continuing education.

awe shucks....

I'll do one on the philosophy of education later today... Seems like there are many professors in here.

 

[Zombie_61]

...I suggested that it's often easier to try to poke holes at someone else's creations than to come up with one of your own. It's what gives us music critics and sports writers...

In other words: Those who can, do; those who can't, criticize.

...Keep it coming. I've read it all. Part of my continuing education.

I like this comment. I sincerely hope I never ever reach a point in my life when I think I know it all regardless of the subject.

 

[emigran]

Chinese Cosmology and Medicine explain ALL as energy... fluid and ever moving. Energy can be manipulated an transmuted via thought word and action... pre-dating quantum physics et al. In regards to DNA/RNA Chinese medical theory (some 2500 yrs old and continuing) states that the energy of the parents (jing) is passed on and stored in the Kidneys of the next generation. This Kidney energy can be manipulated to alter what we term "genetic disease". I would assert in light of this discussion that that constitutes "fussing with time and reality.."
Buddhism deals with time in terms of kalpas. A kalpa is said to be the amount of "time" it would take to disintegrate one's world into dust particles and then travelling to the next world and depositing just one particle of dust and them moving on to the next world and depositing another until all was finished being deposited... There are major kalpas of time and minor kalpas of time...

It occurs for me that it at the critical moment of one's life... vis a vis facing one's imminent death... that metaphysical/philosophical exercise will become conjoined with time and reality...no explanation necessary...!!!

I'm just sayin...

 

[Yesteryear]

Everyone learns from questioning. Everyone. Perhaps not enough emphasis is placed on this in the modern education system which results in forums that talk about 'cherry pies' and such.. no?

Sounds a bit harsh. Sometimes people just want to talk about something they enjoy, which might be cherry pies, or even hats! It doesn't always need to be groundbreaking or complicated to be personally interesting.

 

[philosophygirl78]

Sounds a bit harsh. Sometimes people just want to talk about something they enjoy, which might be cherry pies, or even hats! It doesn't always need to be groundbreaking or complicated to be personally interesting.

You are right.