Pakistani made Leather jacket round 2

[PilotJens]

The construction quality isn't as good I know but this is a unfamiliar leather to them .This leather is normally used for boots, cowboy hats,bags etc with less intricate and shorter seams .

Now to the flat appearance it is a pigment finish with a lighter color underneath.
Didn't people heavily complain about the five star hides that they lack character and the topcoat being to thick and strong to "beautifully patina and age" ?
I have a sample and the top coat is fine.

Have you guys ever seen what they do in the QC stage of mass produced leather items ? They touch up those scratches.Sometimes better sometimes worse .

Some marveled at five star for restitching every single hole when they did a alteration.Little do they know that five star just smears them with a tan colored paste and repaints the old seams . My five star has shown a few areas with better or worse spot treatments over the years .Some were clearly treated before cutting and stitching and some were just scratches that were painted over again .Just look at the fingers of the guys that send you the QC pictures .

 

[PilotJens]

Believe me I have no fight to give but I can’t honestly believe you don’t look at what you’ve presented here (knowing that you have obviously seen the multitude of established makers versions of this jacket) and you don’t see a bright as the sun, retina burning difference. Pattern and material. It’s just not good man, and I’m sure you know this.

I don’t believe this jacket is made of leather at all. It looks like vinyl to me. There is zero depth of color and zero character. It does not look anything like any organic material I’ve ever seen. It’s flat brown plastic. Marc is giving the benefit of the doubt to this being leather. I am not convinced. If it is, it’s buried under plastic.

The pattern and construction issues are too easy to attack. I won’t even go there, a simple image search for aeromarine or heron or even Levi’s Cossack tells you all you need to know.
But of course this isn’t new information.

I’m not sure I am understanding the connection with regard to the boots. If you like those go to Ali express and pick up the Chinese version of this jacket. It will no doubt be far better. “You get what you pay for” is on full display here and I can only hope for your sake that the investment was very minimal.

I know the thing isn't perfect .I am not trying to make it anything that it isn't.

I am just trying to understand why there never seems to be a middle ground here.
It seems to me that things here are either perfect or complete trash.

I know the whole heritage clothing thing is about long lasting quality but I doubt that there is no middle ground or good enough to be had .


In regards to the boot leather question .
I want to test you a little because I am curious if perception can be deceiving

 

[MrProper]

but this is a unfamiliar leather to them

Then they shouldn't offer a jacket with it if they charge money for it. Perhaps the better way would be to try and learn and only then ask for money.

This leather is normally used for boots, cowboy hats,bags etc with less intricate and shorter seams

Here too: they should make boots out of them and not a jacket.
The seams look horrible.

 

[PilotJens]

Vanson horsehide vs Pakistan Cowhide
Same thickness and temper
Same level of surface sheen

 

[PilotJens]

They don't plan on making more jackets out of it because they don't have the experience in working with such a firm hide .
It was a one off thing they tried for me and they don't advise to do it again .

Isn't CXL also a leather primarily used or intended for footwear? Yet people love it for heritage clothing/jackets

 

[ton312]

You can’t apply the term “heritage” to these jackets. They are fast fashion and disposable. You are comparing two different things and it’s unfair to both.

Nothing I’ve seen coming out of Pakistan carries the “heritage” ideals. I loathe the term frankly but the ethos are not represented by the endeavors here or by 5 Star, etc. I posted this elsewhere but it appears to bear repeating. If you need help with your “heritage” please consult this quick reference guide:

Obviously this is tongue in cheek but hopefully you understand what I’m getting at.

 

[PilotJens]

I know what you mean. These things don't fit into the category because they don't have any heritage, traditions, etc .
They just try to be a short cut version or they just steal the heritage of a long standing company.

I do think that the fast fashion versions have certain qualities of the heritage companies.

Even if the leathers are unknown they still do perform better than any pu plastic alternatives. The old 5* linings I experienced had the ability to last a very long time.Way longer than any h&m polyester satin liner of a *"recycled polyester" green washing peacoat abomination with a zipper /fake vest combination

 

[Marc mndt]

I know the whole heritage clothing thing is about long lasting quality but I doubt that there is no middle ground or good enough to be had .

If you're referring to quality levels then this jacket isn't mid range by any means. I'd say it's at the lowest end, even below mall grade. Mid range I would say are jackets from makers like Aero, Schott and Vanson. High end: Thedi Lost Worlds Freewheelers etc.

 

[PilotJens]

I also own copies of saddle back bags .
Yes they do have shortcuts but they are made of 2mm crazy horse leather.Heavy duty metal hardware and brass zips and clasps .
These bags have been through a lot .I use all of my "fast fashion" alternatives like the real thing was intended to with no ill effects or break downs.
These things allow me do have dependable things that I can easily use worry free .
I see way too much people marveling about a level of quality that they will never need .

 

[PilotJens]

600-800$ isn't mid range to me .1000-3000$ is luxury level to me .
I don't know anyone that would see a 600$ piece of clothing as midrange.
Sure it is midrange here because people are invested in this field but the every day joe probably wears 80$ boots and 60-200$ mall jackets

 

[JMax]

Great Pilot. Enjoy the jackets. It’s your checkbook and absolutely your call. If you think they are mid range then they are. Wear them and enjoy.

Also, many of us do need that level of quality. And others, well, prefer quality. When it comes to certain items I can fall into either camp. Still, with other items I am more in the camp you mention, puttering about with the “masses”. As an example, I’ll spend money on a denim vest or jacket, but jeans, no way Jose. Lol.

 

[PilotJens]

 

[PilotJens]

I would say it fits .
That's the first jacket where I have full range of motion . My 5* all weather halfbelt was pretty good but this one is very comfortable.

And it looks much better with the correct buttons now .I still have to replace a few of those hideous huge black plastics buttons they put on .

 

[Observe]

Enjoy the jacket. Comparison is the thief of joy. If what the jacket offers to you works, then throw it on without a second thought. While I'm by no means the most experienced person here, I've had the crappiest mall "leather" jacket you could speak of up to relatively high end Real McCoys, and a good smattering of jackets in between (Vanson, Schott, Aero, Simmons Bilt, Johnson Leather, Cal, Golden Bear, Iron Heart). I'm sure I've forgotten others. My point is, the most important thing is how the jacket makes you feel. I sold my RMC because it didn't make me feel any special way after the initial thrill wore off, as well as some fit and QC issues that thoroughly disappointed me considering the cachet of the brand. I now have a crappy old Five Star as my only jacket right now, and that works just fine for me. Do I think it's even remotely comparable to the majority of jackets people here go for? Absolutely not. Does it serve a purpose for me right now? It sure does. If this jacket of yours serves a purpose for you right now, wear it and enjoy. Maybe one day you'll decide to go for a premium version of the same jacket, or maybe not. It's all up to you.

 

[AbbaDatDeHat]

I am a lunatic

So am i.
I keep waiting for someone to agree with everything you have said, tell you you are completely right, heartily pat you on the back and put this thread to sleep.
But not so….the lounge is a patient place, an engaging place, even for those who feel the need to explain, define and re-explain until they are satisfied that they are understood totally.
So…couldn’t agree with you more. Perfect perspectives and thanks for all the insight into how to beat a dead horse into a jacket.
Lunatic out.
B

 

[ton312]

So am i.
I keep waiting for someone to agree with everything you have said, tell you you are completely right, heartily pat you on the back and put this thread to sleep.
But not so….the lounge is a patient place, an engaging place, even for those who feel the need to explain, define and re-explain until they are satisfied that they are understood totally.
So…couldn’t agree with you more. Perfect perspectives and thanks for all the insight into how to beat a dead horse into a jacket.
Lunatic out.
B

Can I get a…..

 

[PilotJens]

You know what. You guys can enjoy this place in peace now .
I am done with this place . Usually forums are more engaging and interesting however this one is the opposite .
Personally I haven't seen any interesting postings here recently aside from

does my XYZ fit ?

Oh no I broke a zipper .

Is this conditioner going to ruin my jacket?

Looks at the creases



Things I learned here
Simmons bilt boo stolen patterns

Aero "Neck problems"

XYZ has terrible patterns (going from low to high end )


Moderators please ban my account

 

[ton312]

You know what. You guys can enjoy this place in peace now .
I am done with this place . Usually forums are more engaging and interesting however this one is the opposite .
Personally I haven't seen any interesting postings here recently aside from

does my XYZ fit ?

Oh no I broke a zipper .

Is this conditioner going to ruin my jacket?

Looks at the creases



Things I learned here
Simmons bilt boo stolen patterns

Aero "Neck problems"

XYZ has terrible patterns (going from low to high end )


Moderators please ban my account

Pilot, you’ve created a one-man echo chamber here. You can’t get upset at folk calling it out for what it is. I’m not your enemy and nobody here is. You’ve been searching for a “design on a dime” grail and honestly, it doesn’t exist and this thread actually proves it in spades. If you are happy with the end product, that’s great. A forum of opinions shouldn’t matter in that case. You’re also not wrong about the forum content. But if nobody here has anything positive to say about what you’ve put on display….thats just nature running its course. No need to get pissed about it and asked to be banned.

 

[El Marro]

I am done with this place . Usually forums are more engaging and interesting however this one is the opposite .

I’m sure there is a forum out there somewhere for people who celebrate mediocre crap that doesn't fit well but didn’t cost too much either.

 

[ton312]

I’m sure there is a forum out there somewhere for people who celebrate mediocre crap that doesn't fit well but didn’t cost too much either.

Instagram fits that bill pretty well.