If you had to be a historical mobster who would you be?

[Lefty]

Like, was she gunned down or something?


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by the awful taste of these guys - yep, they're "gangsta"

 

[Marc Chevalier]

We can dislike the -idea- of picking a gangster to be all we like yet have zero issue with you personally being a member around here and discussing hats, or whatever other topics.....

Hear, hear. In fact, we respect your guts for having started a thread.



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["Skeet" McD]

While I am sure we all agree that we must take personal responsibility, I think we can not, as a society, let ourselves off the hook....lest we end up living in gated communities, behind barbed wire, railing about how terrible the criminals are.

Dear RP,
No, I wasn't suggesting that that absolved society of any responsibility to improve matters; but rather saying that, ultimately, it IS an individual decision to follow a certain path. Brothers from the same family have ended up as cops and robbers...and, seeing as we started off talking about "favorite" mobsters...we're talking about individuals as well as larger groups.

BTW, my first "real" job was at Sing-Sing prison...where I spent several summers during university, and then several years afterwards, both within (working with a crew of about 10 inmates, all murderers) and without the walls. So, for a layman, I probably have a better-than-average first-hand knowledge of the criminal element. Interested in the take-home lesson, at least for me? They're just like you. If you hop on the public transportation system, there's probably a criminal sitting right next to you, and you'd never know it. It's very easy to make the kind of "faceless mob/completely different from ME" argument...if you've never met someone you knew for a fact to be a criminal. And, with two exceptions, they were all...very nice fellows. We got along great. But we all knew that they were operating under a very different set of rules, and if someone crossed them (particularly disrespected them)....they would be just as likely to kill you as look at you.

VERRRRRY interesting experience.

Now I have to go off and play traditional music with a bunch of other drunken micks....hey: save the last dance for me, OK?

"Skeet"

 

[Fedord Spaniard]

I don't honestly think anyone is flaming you as a person for this topic.

Huge difference between saying 'wow, this is a silly thing to want to pick one and say emulate' and 'wow, you are a jerk for posting this'

We can dislike the -idea- of picking a gangster to be all we like yet have zero issue with you personally being a member around here and discussing hats, or whatever other topics.....

Just like if I posted a thread about how I like to wear flip flops all the time, I would -expect- there to be a backlash.....

thank you for you reply, but i never felt i was bein flammed or belittled personally or at all... unless you think i have been and i dont know it please let me know.

 

[Lefty]

Let's end it. After all...

 

[Foofoogal]

Lefty, you are hilarious. Always need someone to play secretary and take minutes. lol

It is amazing how different we all are on here. It is a flow I am sure many find hard to understand.
This banter is what I like about the lounge.
Like discussed before I think it does take a bit of sitting back and watching first to understand.
Fedord, welcome to the FL.

 

[Fedord Spaniard]

[QUOTE="Skeet" McD]Dear RP,
No, I wasn't suggesting that that absolved society of any responsibility to improve matters; but rather saying that, ultimately, it IS an individual decision to follow a certain path. Brothers from the same family have ended up as cops and robbers...and, seeing as we started off talking about "favorite" mobsters...we're talking about individuals as well as larger groups.

BTW, my first "real" job was at Sing-Sing prison...where I spent several summers during university, and then several years afterwards, both within (working with a crew of about 10 inmates, all murderers) and without the walls. So, for a layman, I probably have a better-than-average first-hand knowledge of the criminal element. Interested in the take-home lesson, at least for me? They're just like you. If you hop on the public transportation system, there's probably a criminal sitting right next to you, and you'd never know it. It's very easy to make the kind of "faceless mob/completely different from ME" argument...if you've never met someone you knew for a fact to be a criminal. And, with two exceptions, they were all...very nice fellows. We got along great. But we all knew that they were operating under a very different set of rules, and if someone crossed them (particularly disrespected them)....they would be just as likely to kill you as look at you.

VERRRRRY interesting experience.

Now I have to go off and play traditional music with a bunch of other drunken micks....hey: save the last dance for me, OK?

"Skeet"[/QUOTE]

wow sing sing, that prison has had some of the biggest fish in mob history executed there.

 

[Spitfire]

:eusa_clap :eusa_clap :eusa_clap
Don't even start them up Pip - we'll end up with a "Which gun did you wish you were"lol lol

Edit: Sorry - Which NUN did you wish you were?:eusa_doh:

 

[Fedord Spaniard]

Lefty, you are hilarious. Always need someone to play secretary and take minutes. lol

It is amazing how different we all are on here. It is a flow I am sure many find hard to understand.
This banter is what I like about the lounge.
Like discussed before I think it does take a bit of sitting back and watching first to understand.
Fedord, welcome to the FL.

thank you every much maam

 

[Marc Chevalier]

Let's end it.

You mean the handy

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[Foofoogal]

you are very welcome. I think I know your twin. His name is Jeremy. lol

 

[Marc Chevalier]

Surely not Metallica's 'Jeremy'!




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[Fedord Spaniard]

you are very welcome. I think I know your twin. His name is Jeremy. lol

excuse my ignorance but jeremy who?

 

[Foofoogal]

a private citizen. Don't you know everyone has a twin somewhere? It is part of the universe.

 

[Fedord Spaniard]

a private citizen. Don't you know everyone has a twin somewhere? It is part of the universe.

i didnt know but now i do

 

[Marc Chevalier]

i didnt know but now i do

??? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TOA4BbYZYQM



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[Foofoogal]

that Jeremy would last about 5 seconds in my home. Yikes..

 

[Marc Chevalier]

that Jeremy would last about 5 seconds in my home. Yikes..

lol lol lol

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[Fedord Spaniard]

??? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TOA4BbYZYQM



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you got any slayer?

 

[Fedord Spaniard]

... and, of course, we come back to one man's freedom fighter being another's terrorist, Che Guevara being a very good case in point of how one person can be viewed both ways depending upon individual opinions, political, social, religious, or whatever. I certainly agree that it is much easier for folks to romanticise the actions of those who are prepared to use violence and/or act counter to state law when they are at a physical remove from them. See, for instance, the support that Noraid had in the US (prior to 9/11). Within Northern Ireland, for many years those with the most extreme attitudes and who were most resistant to compromise on both sides were those who could afford to live in nice, safe, middle-class areas that were untouched by the worst of the violence.




Definitely. When casinos were legalised in England in the 60s, had the Krays gone legit at that point, they would have been very wealthy men, and never have done time. Reggie was a sharp man, but Ronnie's fantasy avbout being an English Al Capone, a wiseguy, The General, dragged him down.... then we also know that Ronnie suffered from severe mental illness, but the family hid it and he never was treated due to the stigma of mental illness at the time, plus I suppose fear of him being locked up in some looney bin.... Certainly interesting to think how they could have turned out differently.

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from what ive read yes ronnie was an emotionally disturbed man and was the ruthless and the more violent of the two brothers. while they werent alterboys i dont think they deserved the long prison sentence they recived compared to the kinds of more evil things that get done in the usa and some convicts get a time out with a dunce cap or just walk. just shows you that britain's court system doesnt play games.