I’m 5’ 10.5”. Both jackets are size 40. I feel like the difference in the two jackets is subtle, but noticeable.
I’m 5’ 10.5”. Both jackets are size 40. I feel like the difference in the two jackets is subtle, but noticeable.
Yeah it’s there. Like the creasing around pocket is more apparent on sh due to the bit longer front. That kind of thing. Both look great reallyI’m 5’ 10.5”. Both jackets are size 40. I feel like the difference in the two jackets is subtle, but noticeable.
What is your chest size if you dont mind me asking? (if its not ITT already)I’m 5’ 10.5”. Both jackets are size 40. I feel like the difference in the two jackets is subtle, but noticeable.
Italy.Out of curiosity, does anyone know where the horsehide from 613SH is sourced from?
I don't suppose it will but do you know if this jacket will teacore? Or is it dyed through? I guess not because this is chrome tanned probably?Italy.
Please quote where I said that you had made "outlandish claims". I didn't. The reason I asked for your sources was because I was not excluding that your information might be right and mine might be wrong or misinterpreted by me. Why so sensitive?I'm not making an outlandish claim; I am stating the fundamentals about these jackets. Nevertheless, my source is factory spec sheets, the same forum posts you've read, conversations with the Schott family in person, conversations with the QC team at the factory, etc.
This has been Schott's standard practice with 1-series vs 6-series sizing for decades now. The 618 and 118 are the same pattern, except the size numbering is different. Additionally, the 118 gets a buckle snap by default and is marginally longer. The reason the Schott team describes the 618/613 as more of a riding jacket than the 118 is because the topcoat is much better at keeping away rain than the naked hide.
Yes, Gail said the 118 fits fuller than the 618, and when she explained what this means, she said that a size 40 618 is a size 38 118. I.e. graded one size bigger.
The PER62 is just a 618 in pigment finished cowhide, while the P628H is a 1940s/1950s aviator. The P677 is a CXL cross-zip in the standard fit, while the 519 is a 613S in slightly lighter cowhide. None of these is a "fashion" model.
The 125 is not more "serious" than the 618; they always offered attached belt and removable belt models. Beck jackets were mostly removable belt, whereas under the Schott label they offered both versions. The side lacing doesn't give you any additional V-taper, given it fastens directly at the hem; it plays the role that the belt does, in case the wearer is wearing the jacket without the belt, or is using the bridle belt as a duty belt.
Those models still had the same roughly 4" drop as the modern models so there wouldn't be a huge amount of extra chest space to pull in.
Here, my "source" is owning these jackets, plus the sources mentioned above.
The 641 has the same pile liner as the 141, however since the 90s Schott has labeled the naked cowhide jackets starting with 1-- and they are labeled one size different from the corresponding 6-- model.
Here, my source is the top category and trying on the jackets but I'm not much of a cafe racer fan so I never ended up buying one. Was tempted by the CAF1 though because it's an exact repro of the early Beck-Schott cafe racer and was about to buy the 689H only the sale timed out at the store I was ordering it from as I was trying to buy.
For those with the 613s are the sleeves very narrow? In comparison to the regular 613 ?
If anyone has a size 42 and/or 44 613S can you check the bicep measurement
Thanks in advance very much
Jay
Of all the Schott jackets that I’ve had, the 613sh has the best sleeves! Plenty of length, trim fit that kind of shows off the guns without being weirdly tight. Maybe 16-16.5 inches at the bicep on a size 44 if I’m measuring correctly.For those with the 613s are the sleeves very narrow? In comparison to the regular 613 ?
If anyone has a size 42 and/or 44 613S can you check the bicep measurement
Thanks in advance very much
Jay
For those with the 613s are the sleeves very narrow? In comparison to the regular 613 ?
If anyone has a size 42 and/or 44 613S can you check the bicep measurement
Thanks in advance very much
Jay
Personally, I really dislike the underarm footballs, which were a clever invention/addition in the 80's. They're not really part of the original/classic pattern, and in jackets that are no longer meant for serious riding (Schott's are more a fashion piece now, than protective gear) the need to have them to reach for the bars seems needless.The sleeves are comparable but look and feel slimmer due to the lack of underarm footballs. Still, there’s good range of movement.