I’m 5’ 10.5”. Both jackets are size 40. I feel like the difference in the two jackets is subtle, but noticeable.
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Hidden in Plain Schott: the 613SH Perfecto
Mrfrown
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Yeah it’s there. Like the creasing around pocket is more apparent on sh due to the bit longer front. That kind of thing. Both look great really
blobsterroll
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What is your chest size if you dont mind me asking? (if its not ITT already)
If this helps, TooManyHats and I sort of concluded that this fits like an odd number between the standard Perfecto sizes.
So a 613SH in 42 fits in between a 618HH in 40 and 42, due to the slightly narrowed shoulders and otherwise different shape, even though the numbers are closer to the 42.
So a 613SH in 42 fits in between a 618HH in 40 and 42, due to the slightly narrowed shoulders and otherwise different shape, even though the numbers are closer to the 42.
mumpy
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I have a 39.5/40 inch chest and I got the size 40 (I bought it used on ebay so didn't really have the option of a 42 at the time so went with it). I am happy with the fit, I can even layer with it just not too heavy stuff otherwise it is too tight zipping up.
For maximum versatility I would have gone for a 42 (back/front length I think are the same, as that would be my only concern).
Sleeves are a bit on the long side but since it creases they are now at the right length.
For maximum versatility I would have gone for a 42 (back/front length I think are the same, as that would be my only concern).
Sleeves are a bit on the long side but since it creases they are now at the right length.
As of now in my Schott saga, the SH is the more comfy/roomy of the two. The standard 613 is starting to get there with daily wear and two nice walks in the rain for the two weeks I’ve owned it. The SH was very stiff when new, but I could still wear it with a thick hoodie and not feel suffocated. After a solid two weeks of wearing it everyday, and hitting it with a spray bottle, it started to relent a little. The turning point was getting it soaked. I let it sit in a sink full of cold water for about 15 minutes, then laid it flat and towel dried it until it wasn’t dripping. I then put it on over a wool base layer and thick hoodie and hopped on the Triumph for 100 mile ride. I wore it the rest of the day/night and left it zipped on the floor with some plastic cups inside to allow air flow, turned a box fan on low and let it dry overnight. Next day it was still damp, wore it all day with a thick sweater and left it to dry the same way overnight again. Was completely dry at that point, so I gave it a healthy dose of Urad Tenderly and wore it again all day. That night it was like a different jacket. I was nervous to try it, but no regrets at all. The sleeves lost an inch from creasing and the front length drew up about .5”. The hide is much softer, though still has a stiffer hand than the standard steer. Measurements as of now on my size 40 613sh are:
Pit to pit: 22.5”
Shoulder: 18”
Sleeve straight down: 24”
Back length: 24.5”
Front length: 26”
Hem: 19.5”
Compared to my standard 613 size 40:
Pit to pit: +22”
Shoulder: 17.5”
Sleeve straight down: 25”
Back length: 24.5” at longest point of “oval”
Front length: 25”
Hem: 20”
It may be worth noting that the cuff end of the sleeves have more of an aggressive taper on my standard 613 compared to the SH. Perhaps that is by design on the more riding oriented design of the two, or maybe a manufacturing variation, but it makes for a trickier time stuffing a thicker shirt on underneath.
Pit to pit: 22.5”
Shoulder: 18”
Sleeve straight down: 24”
Back length: 24.5”
Front length: 26”
Hem: 19.5”
Compared to my standard 613 size 40:
Pit to pit: +22”
Shoulder: 17.5”
Sleeve straight down: 25”
Back length: 24.5” at longest point of “oval”
Front length: 25”
Hem: 20”
It may be worth noting that the cuff end of the sleeves have more of an aggressive taper on my standard 613 compared to the SH. Perhaps that is by design on the more riding oriented design of the two, or maybe a manufacturing variation, but it makes for a trickier time stuffing a thicker shirt on underneath.
mumpy
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Out of curiosity, does anyone know where the horsehide from 613SH is sourced from?
Italy.
mumpy
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I don't suppose it will but do you know if this jacket will teacore? Or is it dyed through? I guess not because this is chrome tanned probably?
Maybe light blue/grey sort of undertone?
Please quote where I said that you had made "outlandish claims". I didn't. The reason I asked for your sources was because I was not excluding that your information might be right and mine might be wrong or misinterpreted by me. Why so sensitive?
However, I did look up a few emails from Schott, and if the sizing charts Denise sent me in 2021 are anything to go by, your version re: 618 vs 118 sizing is not supported. See attachments.
You might counter that tables are abstractions and don't reflect reality enough to support either version. I'd agree, but the six Schott leather jackets I've owned across four sizes (from 36 as a lanky youth to 42) weren't very uniform/ reliable in terms of sizing either; and I will maintain that from everything I've seen online, it looks like the 618 and even the 125's predecessors used to be significantly (like, up to two inches per size) shorter until the early 80s.
Let me know what you think, preferably without assuming hostile intentions on my part.
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The sleeves are comparable but look and feel slimmer due to the lack of underarm footballs. Still, there’s good range of movement.
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Madhouse27
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Of all the Schott jackets that I’ve had, the 613sh has the best sleeves! Plenty of length, trim fit that kind of shows off the guns without being weirdly tight. Maybe 16-16.5 inches at the bicep on a size 44 if I’m measuring correctly.
Yeah, pretty slim, but not so couldn´t layer. If in doubt or if you are in-between sizes, I would strongly recommend to size up one. The P2P on mine should be too big for me - in theory - but I hate to think I needed to squeeze into a smaller size.
RJD257
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Personally, I really dislike the underarm footballs, which were a clever invention/addition in the 80's. They're not really part of the original/classic pattern, and in jackets that are no longer meant for serious riding (Schott's are more a fashion piece now, than protective gear) the need to have them to reach for the bars seems needless.
I do my best to forget they are part of the 618HH that I got on Black Friday 2023 (...and is breaking in wonderfully....)
The patterns i like the best do NOT have the underarm footballs IMHO, but like everything else, your mileage may vary....
Jerri at Schott sent measurements for the Bicep area on the sleeves for the 613s a size 42 has a 14.5” round and a size 44 has a 15” round
With this leather can I expect some stretch on the bicep area ?
For those with a 42 and a 44 curious after some wear how yours measures vs the Schott measurements
Thanks for the help again very much !
Jay
With this leather can I expect some stretch on the bicep area ?
For those with a 42 and a 44 curious after some wear how yours measures vs the Schott measurements
Thanks for the help again very much !
Jay
