Looks great. If you have time, can you please post measurements? I'm into old school fits (short and tapered) but I no longer trust Schott in that regard because they're so heavily oriented towards long & straight cuts nowadays. They seem to alter old models without notification, and even some posts here suggest that there's not much difference anymore between this model and the 618/ 118 series which was originally introduced specifically to provide room for larger waists.
I’d also add that the 613s and 613sh don’t have the oval dip to the back, they’re more blunt cut. Which makes for a slightly longer front length (my understanding, haven’t handled one yet but plan to)Huh? The “long and straight cuts” like the 626 were a late 2000s fashion attempt, not the main items, and even those have gotten shortened since.
The 618/118 was not “introduced specifically to provide room for larger waists”. They have a four inch drop, which is the same as the 50s and 60s Perfectos. They were not dramatically V-shaped jackets like early Indian and some others. The length is also mostly comparable if slightly longer today (though the 118 is slightly longer still).
The 618 model number has been in use for at least 50 years.
The main fit difference between the 618S(H) and the standard 618/613 is the leather on the SH and the removal of underarm footballs. The hem is marginally narrower, by a fraction of an inch. Not enough to be noticeable in wear.
All (US market) 618/613/613S jackets have four inches of chest ease for the tagged size, so if you want six, size up, which I did.
The official Schott spec sheet for back length measures it a bit differently since it’s for factory usage than we would when measuring a jacket, so it looks longer. On my size 42, the real back length is 24”.
Your legs in the background make the jacket look gigantic lolThis is what my sh looks like after getting drenched/dried out. View attachment 585898
Your legs in the background make the jacket look gigantic lol
Looks great. If you have time, can you please post measurements? I'm into old school fits (short and tapered) but I no longer trust Schott in that regard because they're so heavily oriented towards long & straight cuts nowadays. They seem to alter old models without notification, and even some posts here suggest that there's not much difference anymore between this model and the 618/ 118 series which was originally introduced specifically to provide room for larger waists.
I'm all for front being longer than back. And I mixed up the 618 and 118, my bad, but so did the reply - yes, the 118 (and the defunct 125) is a longer and slightly fuller-in-the-waist cut than the 618 and other older models. Gail (RIP) and others from Schott have personally stated that.
I'll look up my old messages from Gail, Jerry etc. to see how they compare against your claim. They even sent me a comparison table of measurements. What's your source btw?
As for "late 2000s", right now their "motorcycle" selection is chock full of "fashion" models like PER62, P628H P677, 519 and others. While in the 2000s they at least were still producing a serious full belt model (the 125, cut like the 118 but with added side lacing for a bit of optional V-taper).
I suspect you might be confusing the "just sized up one size" thing with the 125 which was recommended to size up because of its zip-out pile lining, or because the recommendation for the faux fur collar is to size up when buying it for a 118 or 125 as opposed to 618.