Good Wear Hercules

[Thuggee]

Heads up. There is a GW Herc. 44 on The Bay.


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That’s my old one nice jacket was to big for me though unfortunately, guess the person I sold it to didn’t like it or the fit was off


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[Lebowski]

Heads up. There is a GW Herc. 44 on The Bay.


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That exact GW Hercules was initially owned by @John D Maccarter, then @Thuggee, then someone else, and now it’s on eBay, on sale again.
Nice jacket, it surely deserves to find its constant owner finally.
Thought of buying it, though its current price on eBay seems slightly off to me considering its condition. If @Thuggee still owned it, am sure we’ll have a deal with him!)

 

[tropicalbob]

From a medical standpoint, it appears the term "fetish" should be used when linked to sexual gratification, which i hope is not something linked to collars in your case! ( I don't even want to know!)

"According to the DSM-5, fetishistic disorder is characterized as a condition in which there is a persistent and repetitive use of or dependence on nonliving objects (such as undergarments or high-heeled shoes) or a highly specific focus on a body part (most often nongenital, such as feet) to reach sexual arousal"

So you are probably best described as having a "fur collar addiction/thing"
(GF says Fetish is usually coloquially used just because it is a "sexy word " and people misunderstand what addiction is. Although she is convinced that at least some of us on here have a "real" fetish about leather... But you don't want to hear her descriptions!)

If you want a leather help consultation it can be done via skype?!

I'm surprised nobody's mentioned the "Commodity Fetishism" chapter of Karl Marx's Das Kapital: he's actually "right on the money" about it (forgive me). He says that there's a point in the development of capitalism (a term invented by him, btw) at which things become far more important than people. I had my reservations on this until one night a friend of mine leaned up against a Ferrari on South Beach and was instantly assaulted physically by the owner. It's worth reading.

 

[Seb Lucas]

Seb, if I previously came on too strong, I apologize. That said, allow me to explain why your “fetish” statement was plainly susceptible to an unkind interpretation.





Juxtaposing your two quotes, you are plainly stating that certain unnamed people “have an excessive or near irrational commitment to” quality. First, the words “excessive” and “irrational" are the antithesis of a compliment and, at the very least, convey an unflattering connotation. In my experience, when you label someone as “irrational” or “excessive,” it is generally a criticism, as compared to the positive attribute of rationality. You may not have intended such an implication, but I hope you recognize that others can rationally interpret your words as a slight.

Second, while such an irrational commitment to quality undoubtedly exists somewhere, I personally cannot recall such a display here with respect to quality. Several members have stated the obvious and undisputed fact that certain jackets are made to a higher quality than others. I presume you do not disagree with the simple proposition that there is a variance in quality among the jackets discussed here. Several members have also stated what characteristics they perceive as illustrative of quality, and have likewise stated that they favor said characteristics and the resulting quality. On the other hand, I do not recall any members displaying an irrational commitment to quality or the characteristics that define quality for them. To the contrary, those members who have written about quality have been measured and rational in their description of the factors that define quality for them, and have been equally rational in their stated preference for those characteristics. IMHO, these members have not displayed an “irrational or “excessive” interest in quality that would warrant the fetish label.

You espouse a different approach, as is your prerogative. I enjoy reading about your approach . . . until you label an alternative approach a “festish” involving “irrational” and “excessive” pursuits, in contrast to your rational approach. IMHO, you should avoid such potentially disrespectful labels for approaches that vary from your own.

Certain posters in this thread have attempted to explain your statement by observing that this community fetishizes outerwear in general. I wholeheartedly agree with this sentiment and embrace the unflattering connotation. The members here discuss irrational and excessive interests in jackets, generally, on a daily basis – me included. However, this observation is a non-sequitur in relationship to your prior statement. You did not state that certain people fetishize jackets in general. Rather, you stated that certain people fetishize quality. That is an entirely different statement. The fact that many/most here fetishize jackets in general does not mean that anyone here fetishizes quality in particular. As explained above, I personally cannot recall any instances of members displaying an irrational interest in quality, as distinct from a rational discussion of palpable differences in manufacturing techniques and a preference for one over the other.

Perhaps this is all an issue of semantics and unintended implications, coupled with my admitted hypersensitivity. Again, I apologize if I misinterpreted your post. You are a spectacularly bright guy and I hope you can see how others might have legitimately misunderstood your words as a slight.

Happy New Year everyone. Hopefully this will be the first of many lively and respectful discussions as the year progresses.

Thank you Super. I think we both mostly get each other to be honest and my desire has never been to patronise or insult anyone's choices. I have been here to long to do this and I value the site.

Looking back over this thread, the post by me that offended was my (perhaps unwise) flippant call to ton for us to buy up all the shitty jackets while the others chased after quality. I thought that was just an amusing line hence my emojis at he end of it to clarify. But yes I have my views and sometimes I get into trouble for them. Happy for people to point out when I have crossed a line or been a prat.

I apologise to you for any offence caused. I'd like to keep exploring some of these ideas and trust we can both do this without creating any ill will. Jacket collecting is a fascinating hobby and brings out many surprises about us as people interacting in the world. Thanks again, Superfluous, I really appreciate the opportunity for us to start afresh.

 

[Superfluous]

 

[navetsea]

sewing a straight line or aligning panels precisely should not be a symbol of mastery in a trade involving sewing with a machine. if someone know their machine and material and have done for more than a few practice, and have the machine set to stitch on that kind of material then being able to sew a straight line when fully sober should be a basic default state, when trying to sew on new fabric my mom or anyone else I know would have some pieces of scraps to practice run, before hitting the real one, trying to sew on double folded seam on new fabrics, then they would have some scraps done that way once or twice to see if the machine setting is right, because she only use one machine, I imagine in a workshop with many machines set differently to take on different materials and different seam constructions, perhaps even different machines with different thread colors to save time so it is even less likely the result become wonky.

no difference than sawing a straight cut wood with electric saw, or striking a straight freehand line. crooked panel or non symmetrical placement etc I think then they must be doing it in a hurry (either for cheap or in war time) or with less care because of boredom or stress or something else. and when the consumer is the one who spot it then it must be bad QC on top of it.

I would care more about design in general, and then silhouette the jacket creates when worn, pattern placement on the hide so it will look and feel more tastefully "symmetrical" between panels, proportion of the jacket and its elements like its pocket or collar size compared to the size of the jacket, and actual pattern making knowledge so the jacket looks and feel good when being worn by a 3D body not just looking good on a hanger.

 

[torfjord]

I'm surprised nobody's mentioned the "Commodity Fetishism" chapter of Karl Marx's Das Kapital: he's actually "right on the money" about it (forgive me). He says that there's a point in the development of capitalism (a term invented by him, btw) at which things become far more important than people. I had my reservations on this until one night a friend of mine leaned up against a Ferrari on South Beach and was instantly assaulted physically by the owner. It's worth reading.

I actually had a post cooking in my head about commodity fetishism, but you beat me to it! In Marx’s use of the term, there is no sexual connotations.


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[Seb Lucas]

Now why would people go straight to sex when you could go straight to Marx?

 

[Edgar Laurel]

Seb, everybody takes sex over Marx. It's not even a question.
Had some fun reading this thread and going through all the "passionate" exchange about leather jackets, fetishism and other quasi random stuff.

 

[torfjord]

Now why would people go straight to sex when you could go straight to Marx?

Haha! Actually, Marx was the first thing that came to my mind in this whole fetish-discussion. In the days of my youth, I was a very very enthusiastic Marxist. Read Das Kapital several times. When I was about 22 my girlfriend (after, understandably, tiring of my rants about this and that detail of Marxist theory) asked me “if you had to choose between me and Marx, who would you pick?”

That girlfriend became an ex a couple of months later. Ha!


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[tropicalbob]

Haha! Actually, Marx was the first thing that came to my mind in this whole fetish-discussion. In the days of my youth, I was a very very enthusiastic Marxist. Read Das Kapital several times. When I was about 22 my girlfriend (after, understandably, tiring of my rants about this and that detail of Marxist theory) asked me “if you had to choose between me and Marx, who would you pick?”

That girlfriend became an ex a couple of months later. Ha!


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I was exactly the same, except in my case it was Artaud. Then Joyce. It's a good thing to go through when you're young, as you learn so much through all of the research you do.

 

[torfjord]

I was exactly the same, except in my case it was Artaud. Then Joyce. It's a good thing to go through when you're young, as you learn so much through all of the research you do.

I’m still a lot like that, in that I go through phases were I obsess excessively over different things. These past couple of years it has been mainly fashion/style/clothing whatever word you choose to describe what it is we obsess over here on TFL. (Cause what we do here is not normal. Not that there’s anything wrong with that. Normal is boring.)
But I went through a pretty heavy Nietzsche phase as well, an Ernst Jünger phase, a Dostoyevsky phase etc. Never went deep with Artaud, but he’s definitely an interesting character. My close friends even have a term for these phases, whenever I start something new they’ll say “oh, he’s got a new psychosis”, “are your leather psychosis still ongoing, or do you have something new yet?” [emoji23]


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[Will Zach]

I was never a Marxist as I had to live under Communism for 23 years and saw first hand that it does not work even a little. I chose freedom as soon as I could. Maybe my capitalist jacket fetish is Karl's revenge, LOL.

 

[Edgar Laurel]

Haha! Actually, Marx was the first thing that came to my mind in this whole fetish-discussion. In the days of my youth, I was a very very enthusiastic Marxist. Read Das Kapital several times. When I was about 22 my girlfriend (after, understandably, tiring of my rants about this and that detail of Marxist theory) asked me “if you had to choose between me and Marx, who would you pick?”

That girlfriend became an ex a couple of months later. Ha!


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If you were picking a jacket instead of your girl it would be acceptable under the TFL laws.
I will give you the benefit of the doubt for those were the younger and foolish days

 

[Superfluous]

I’m still a lot like that, in that I go through phases were I obsess excessively over different things.

You are in the right place my friend, as many here suffer from the identical obsessive compulsive disorder / addictive personality. For many here -- me included -- jackets are merely one of many current and/or prior obsessions. My list of OCD manifestations continues to expand/evolve, and previously and/or currently includes/included outerwear, sneakers, jeans, flannels, t-shirts, cars, watches, sunglasses, poker, suits, ties, dress shirts, drugs, etc. etc. etc. Other members obsess over boots, belts, motorcycles, sports, war memorabilia, guns, knives, flashlights, etc. etc. etc. I have often considered starting a thread to discuss other passions/obsessions. I think the resulting discussion would be enlightening and we would learn a lot about each other.

 

[torfjord]

I was never a Marxist as I had to live under Communism for 23 years and saw first hand that it does not work even a little. I chose freedom as soon as I could. Maybe my capitalist jacket fetish is Karl's revenge, LOL.

If you were picking a jacket instead of your girl it would be acceptable under the TFL laws.
I will give you the benefit of the doubt for those were the younger and foolish days

Youth is wasted on the young [emoji6]


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[navetsea]

Karl's Revenge
Sounds like a Gundam OVA, i would actually watch.

 

[torfjord]

You are in the right place my friend, as many here suffer from the identical obsessive compulsive disorder / addictive personality. For many here -- me included -- jackets are merely one of many current and/or prior obsessions. My list of OCD manifestations continues to expand/evolve, and previously and/or currently includes/included outerwear, sneakers, jeans, flannels, t-shirts, cars, watches, sunglasses, poker, suits, ties, dress shirts, drugs, etc. etc. etc. Other members obsess over boots, belts, motorcycles, sports, war memorabilia, guns, knives, flashlights, etc. etc. etc. I have often considered starting a thread to discuss other passions/obsessions. I think the resulting discussion would be enlightening and we would learn a lot about each other.

Thanks Super! I actually think that’s a great idea for a thread!


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[Carlos840]

Thanks Super! I actually think that’s a great idea for a thread!


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I'm not sure the lounge is ready for my vintage ratchet/spanner collection!
But i agree that a non outerwear thread could be cool...

 

[torfjord]

I would love to see that actually!


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