Finds and Deals - Leather Jacket Edition

[Jonanah]

People need to remember that sellers can ask what ever they want. If you are not buying, move on. In my view, some comments are unnecessary.

I have noticed this as well Friend.
Also noticed we have a rule in Classifieds that covers this quite well.
https://www.thefedoralounge.com/threads/eddie-haskells-zip-it.117262/

I wholeheartedly agree with our rule in the classifieds here and find it a welcome addition to our standards and practices. However, I think it’s important to remember that this is not the classifieds—this is a thread for sharing both finds and deals. Therefore, it is often necessary to specify into which category one’s post falls. For the ebay link I recently shared, referencing the strikingly high price was my way of indicating that it was much more of a find than a deal — something which has a great deal of precedent in this thread. I would argue this practice is quite distinct from harassing members about their prices in Classified listings, would you not agree?

 

[stevestevesteveb]

Not cheap cheap but you get good bang for your buck here.

https://www.vinted.co.uk/items/4810056850-the-real-mccoys-real-mcqueens-anj-4-size-44-now-reduced

 

[cbez]

Imo, pricing comments if not pointlessly mean spirited can help beginners understand market values better.

Commenting on a public listing on a sales site is not the same as doing it on a member's classified ad. At that point it's fair game, similar to everyone throwing their 2c in on RMC retail pricing etc.

 

[ton312]

This is from a moderators post in the classifieds.

Read this before posting here!

The classified forum is for individual private members to sell vintage-related personal items they no longer wish to own. Vendors are not permitted to post here. If you are a vendor and are interested in advertising, e-mail nathan@thefedoralounge.com Thank you.

www.thefedoralounge.com

Ironic.

 

[Al 916]

I wholeheartedly agree with our rule in the classifieds here and find it a welcome addition to our standards and practices. However, I think it’s important to remember that this is not the classifieds—this is a thread for sharing both finds and deals. Therefore, it is often necessary to specify into which category one’s post falls. For the ebay link I recently shared, referencing the strikingly high price was my way of indicating that it was much more of a find than a deal — something which has a great deal of precedent in this thread. I would argue this practice is quite distinct from harassing members about their prices in Classified listings, would you not agree?

Absolutely right, harassing and bullying in the lounge generally is covered in this zero tolerance rule which I believe is fundamental.
https://www.thefedoralounge.com/thr...and-protect-all-of-our-members-in-here.26902/

I think Lounger sales in classifieds and outside are covered in the above, non lounger sales, that's banter, however, as Photo said asking prices are just that, sometimes the seller does not actually want to sell the jacket.
The market always decides no matter

 

[Jonanah]

I think Lounger sales in classifieds and outside are covered in the above, non lounger sales, that's banter, however, as Photo said asking prices are just that, sometimes the seller does not actually want to sell the jacket.
The market always decides no matter

If they don’t want to sell the jacket why are they listing it on eBay? Also, I think everyone here understands that asking prices may be aspirational in nature, but they are still meant to have some relation to the actual value of the item.

At any rate, I was making no attempt to police pricing practices on eBay through an offhand comment in the TFL finds and deals section lol. And I’m a bit confused at how the “harassing and bullying” policy relates to this discussion at all, so I think we may be losing the thread here.

 

[Jonanah]

Imo, pricing comments if not pointlessly mean spirited can help beginners understand market values better.

Commenting on a public listing on a sales site is not the same as doing it on a member's classified ad. At that point it's fair game, similar to everyone throwing their 2c in on RMC retail pricing etc.

Exactly — typically I would simply ignore the pearl-clutching at my post, but as you aptly point out there can be actual value to editorializing the links we share here to help others understand and navigate the market

 

[ton312]

Exactly — typically I would simply ignore the pearl-clutching at my post, but as you aptly point out there can be actual value to editorializing the links we share here to help others understand and navigate the market

This is precisely why the mods also ask not to delete your sold classifieds posts. It is indicative of value. Pointing it out however, will extinguish the flame of faux politeness this place has grown to expect.

 

[ton312]

Ultimately my feeling on the matter is that flipping for a profit is fine. Do it on eBay. You can’t say “we are all members here” and attempt to sell at double the price something you bought from a member here to another member. That is not building a community. It’s fake. The only exception would be if seller puts significant work into restoration or repairs.

 

[rogueclimber]

I wholeheartedly agree with our rule in the classifieds here and find it a welcome addition to our standards and practices. However, I think it’s important to remember that this is not the classifieds—this is a thread for sharing both finds and deals. Therefore, it is often necessary to specify into which category one’s post falls. For the ebay link I recently shared, referencing the strikingly high price was my way of indicating that it was much more of a find than a deal — something which has a great deal of precedent in this thread. I would argue this practice is quite distinct from harassing members about their prices in Classified listings, would you not agree?

I was coming to post basically the exact sentiment

Outside of the classifieds, and not as an attack on what the seller is choosing to price their item, a comment on a overpriced item is a good thing.

Posting a bad deal is just as educational as posting a good deal. It helps those who don't know learn the information that allows them to make informed purchases.

 

[Zoro]

The internet is like the abyss, you can look at it but it will look back. Once something is published, anyone else can comment on that. Asking prices are not exempt of this, even when placed in a platform that doesn't allow them natively (such as eBay).

In the same way a seller is entitled to input whatever they want, anyone else becomes equally entitled to voice their opinion. As long as this is done with respect, I personally don't see an issue.

 

[Leather_nube]

If they don’t want to sell the jacket why are they listing it on eBay? Also, I think everyone here understands that asking prices may be aspirational in nature, but they are still meant to have some relation to the actual value of the item.

At any rate, I was making no attempt to police pricing practices on eBay through an offhand comment in the TFL finds and deals section lol. And I’m a bit confused at how the “harassing and bullying” policy relates to this discussion at all, so I think we may be losing the thread here.

I think it’s related to a jacket being offered for sale in the classifieds here by a member at a price higher than they bought it from another member.

Nothing to do with you I assume, just some residual inverted commas.

 

[ton312]

Imo, pricing comments if not pointlessly mean spirited can help beginners understand market values better.

Commenting on a public listing on a sales site is not the same as doing it on a member's classified ad. At that point it's fair game, similar to everyone throwing their 2c in on RMC retail pricing etc.

There is a great deal of sensitivity here when it comes to the classifieds. Is it mean spirited to point out a jacket with a plastic main zipper is fundamentally worth less money than what the seller is asking? It’s a fact, but is it mean? I don’t think it is. This hobby often breeds what I would call “instant experts”. But the expertise isn’t based on experience so there is no real expertise at all.

I don’t feel the classifieds should be exempt from this commentary. The “if you’re not interested just keep scrolling” method allows for ignorant buyers to be taken for a ride by sellers who (may or may not) know better. If this place is to be about educating a person about outerwear, then commentary that shows a history of value, things that make it less (or more)valuable, should absolutely be allowed. I might be on an island in this belief, and I’ve been warned that if I don’t keep my mouth shut I’ll be shown the door.

 

[Leather_nube]

There is a great deal of sensitivity here when it comes to the classifieds. Is it mean spirited to point out a jacket with a plastic main zipper is fundamentally worth less money than what the seller is asking? It’s a fact, but is it mean? I don’t think it is. This hobby often breeds what I would call “instant experts”. But the expertise isn’t based on experience so there is no real expertise at all.

I don’t feel the classifieds should be exempt from this commentary. The “if you’re not interested just keep scrolling” method allows for ignorant buyers to be taken for a ride by sellers who know better. If this place is to be about educating a person about outerwear, then commentary that shows a history of value, things that make it less (or more)valuable, should absolutely be allowed. I might be on an island in this belief, and I’ve been warned that if I don’t keep my mouth shut I’ll be shown the door.

I’ve noticed non critical commentary isn’t being policed in the classifieds. I would have assumed the new rule applied to all non purchase related responses in the classifieds?

I found the discussion in the classifies useful. Should I buy? Is the price reasonable? These questions were often aptly answered there.

Is there a rule against discussing TFL classified adds on the lounge but outside of the classified? Like here? In the absence of mean spiritedness, it represents a good opportunity to learn from more experienced members.

 

[blm14]

if this discussion was about my post, I was referring to the langlitz posted here for many thousands of dollars on ebay. The seller is not (to my knowledge) a lounger, nor (again, to my knowledge) is the jacket listed in the classifieds here.

I was questioning whether that ebay listing is a find or a deal, because given the price you could actually get two new ones directly from langlitz

 

[ton312]

I’ve noticed non critical commentary isn’t being policed in the classifieds. I would have assumed the new rule applied to all non purchase related responses in the classifieds?

I found the discussion in the classifies useful. Should I buy? Is the price reasonable? These questions were often aptly answered there.

Is there a rule against discussing TFL classified adds on the lounge but outside of the classified? Like here? In the absence of mean spiritedness, it represents a good opportunity to learn from more experienced members.

Tough question to answer. My belief is that it should be allowed within the ad itself as to not further slow down and stuff the forum but it’s clearly not welcome. So I don’t know what the best approach is.

Part of it is having full faith in the seller, right? They will disclose the items history. Like I said previously, this isn’t at all necessary on other platforms. But if the intent and belief here is that this is an actual community-it does matter. Or the classifieds are merely an extension of other platforms (save the fees) and it’s a free for all. It hasn’t been that way in my dealings there and I think it’s a shame if that’s what it is to become.

Fortunately for me my stuff is largely not of interest here. But I have walked many paths and I’m not a dick so I welcome PM’s if my opinion is at all wanted.

 

[tweedydon]

Fortunately for me my stuff is largely not of interest here. But I have walked many paths and I’m not a dick so I welcome PM’s if my opinion is at all wanted.

Your stuff is of interest to me…. We’re a similar size, and I’m still miffed I missed your Aero green wool/leather beauty!

 

[Jonanah]

Tough question to answer. My belief is that it should be allowed within the ad itself as to not further slow down and stuff the forum but it’s clearly not welcome. So I don’t know what the best approach is.

Part of it is having full faith in the seller, right? They will disclose the items history. Like I said previously, this isn’t at all necessary on other platforms. But if the intent and belief here is that this is an actual community-it does matter. Or the classifieds are merely an extension of other platforms (save the fees) and it’s a free for all. It hasn’t been that way in my dealings there and I think it’s a shame if that’s what it is to become.

Fortunately for me my stuff is largely not of interest here. But I have walked many paths and I’m not a dick so I welcome PM’s if my opinion is at all wanted.

@ton312 in my opinion you have one of the most iconic styles on this forum and have personally got me wanting a suede rancher jacket something fierce.

Also, this reminds this thread about a year ago when I was quite new to the site, about “bad actors” going to the classifieds to get “deals.” I appreciate that people are trying to look out for each other on both sides—as sellers and buyers. But at the end of the day, these are all public marketplaces on the Internet.

Ton, I remember your takes resonating with me strongly, and @tmitchell59 as well. Our contributions below:

It looks like there are two sides of the spectrum here:

1) Those who want to preserve a tightly knit community of familiar faces who all know and respect the etiquette. In its purest form this allows for a kind of generalized reciprocity, a form of exchange that is particularly useful for a group of people who enjoy trying a wide variety of big-ticket items, e.g. leather jackets.

2) Those who see this forum as a platform for the free market to play out—both the marketplace of goods, and the marketplace of ideas—open to anyone for any purpose.

TFL exists in the tension between these two sides, and I think it is a productive tension. A fully closed space would allow everyone to have complete trust in each other, but without any new contributors with different ideas and experiences coming in, it would quickly become stale and peter out.

TFL exists on the internet—not the safest place for intellectual property, nor exactly a haven from scammers or others with ill intent. But TFL retains a special feel to it, through a strong culture and devoted participants and moderators who are committed to maintaining a high (enough) standard of conduct. So new people (like me) will constantly be joining, and that's a good thing, at least for anyone who wants this place to keep going. But yeah, not everyone is going to be amazing...unfortunately not everyone on the internet is amazing :/

And I will say, for what it's worth, it was the classifieds that first got me interested in this community. It's only natural that the marketplace is going to be the draw for most people, and those of us who find that they like the community will stay.

One of these days, I might start working out hard enough that I can't fit into my jackets, and I have to sell them. That will be a sad day, but it would be made less sad by breaking even, or better yet coming out ahead (and having big muscles). Will I? Probably not. But I might as well try!

TFL is not a private club. TFl promotes the classifieds to draw people here. I've sold jackets to people who stayed around for the fun. They were not even aware of TFL. This forum is a business.

I've sold jackets that have re surfaced for sale, so what? Did they know something I didn't? No, they only thought they did. They paid what I ask, so I'm done.


The Appalachian above is not worth $1625. How they arrived at that number I have no idea. Has this jacket sold? I would guess no.

There seem to be an assumption that people here are fools with money. In all the the hundreds of jacket I have sold I haven't met one.

 

[unhatted]

Well, I think these two Cals fit the concepts of find and deal:

Straightzip, 23" p2p, BIN $100

Crosszip, size 36, BIN $175

You better believe I ran to that second eBay listing! But sadly a 36 cal = a 12-16” waist, and I fear the sleeves have been shortened at some point (zips too short, wrists too wide, short in relation to body)…

 

[Peacoat]

We need to get back to the business of Finds and Deals, not discussing the Classifieds to death. I imagine that fans of the intent of this thread are tiring of this discussion.

So, back to the original intent of the thread. That is a directive, not a request.

I am going to temporarily close this thread so everyone can see this post and comply.