Akubra Overload

[theinterchange]

... 5 1/2" open crown before I creased it and when my Australian friend and I popped our hats back to open crown (and my Bushman) they ALL measured 5 1/2" . My hats were DM models but i can't believe they would make different sizes of crown for different retailers that would be so similar. I'm speaking of the basic hat not the finished model as is sold. Just my observations

It doesn't matter if the crown heights are the same... the block shape is different on each of these. The CD and Bushman are straighter sided than the quite tapered Squatter... in the side by side I posted up there there is noticeably a difference between them. [huh]

 

[monbla256]

I just measured mu Squatter & Bushman with a cloth tape....

... and I have the identical center dent/front pinch crease in each. Botha have the brim snapped down in front identically as well.
Squatter - 5" to top of front pinch and a solid 3" brim ALL around. Fawn color
Bushman - 5" to top of front pinch and a solid 3 1/4" brim ALL around.Nulabar tan color
BOTH hats are DM models BTW.

 

[theinterchange]

Came across a cool shot of my CD

Don't believe I've shared this one before... I now miss this hat.

Randy

 

[theinterchange]

... and I have the identical center dent/front pinch crease in each. Botha have the brim snapped down in front identically as well.
Squatter - 5" to top of front pinch and a solid 3" brim ALL around. Fawn color
Bushman - 5" to top of front pinch and a solid 3 1/4" brim ALL around.Nulabar tan color
BOTH hats are DM models BTW.

I still don't get what you're trying to prove with these measurements. [huh]

BLOCK SHAPE IS KEY HERE... They may have the same specs, but are different hats produced on different blocks. The Bushman is straighter sided than the Squatter...

Randy

 

[Neophyte]

... and I have the identical center dent/front pinch crease in each. Botha have the brim snapped down in front identically as well.
Squatter - 5" to top of front pinch and a solid 3" brim ALL around. Fawn color
Bushman - 5" to top of front pinch and a solid 3 1/4" brim ALL around.Nulabar tan color
BOTH hats are DM models BTW.

I concede...this is just bizarre lol!

Oh well, the point is that Akubra does this (the crowns on the Bogart, Whippet, Hampton, and Fedora looks similar as well), and it is not alone. Biltmore, Dobbs and Stetson do this as well.

 

[The Good]

Don't believe I've shared this one before... I now miss this hat.

Randy

I saw this photo before. I'm assuming it's a black and white shot, but the way it affects the color of that Campdraft is amazing. If only Akubra sold one with that hat and ribbon color combination. It actually looks a lot closer to Stetson's silverbelly rather than Akubra's, here.

 

[monbla256]

Now THAT is a NICE hat....

... reminds me of one of my fathers Stetson LBJ's I'm getting referb'd at Peter Bros. It was an almost identical looking grey as your CD !! BTW will be getting it recreased in my favorite center dent/ front pinch style instead of the Cattlemans crease he wore it as. NICE,NICE hat

 

[Neophyte]

I saw this photo before. I'm assuming it's a black and white shot

No, Randy just hired a really uninspired interior designer lol!

 

[monbla256]

Not trying to PROVE anything, just ....

... making some observations from what I have seen. And if they were the same basic hat production wise, but blocked and finished differently model wise, from a manufacturing standpoint, makes sense to me

 

[The Good]

Hmm, I'm not sure why the cattleman's crease is so unpopular with the Campdraft, actually. Perhaps it may make it appear too generically "western?" Or is it the fact that the Campdraft is a pretty high-crowned hat, and the cattleman's crease does not drop it low enough for most's preferences?

 

[Neophyte]

... making some observations from what I have seen. And if they were the same basic hat production wise, but blocked and finished differently model wise, from a manufacturing standpoint, makes sense to me

Thing is, you're correct. Although the models you've put forth as an example could be disputed, using the same block for multiple hat models is common practice among today's "factory" hat producers.

 

[theinterchange]

I saw this photo before. I'm assuming it's a black and white shot, but the way it affects the color of that Campdraft is amazing. If only Akubra sold one with that hat and ribbon color combination. It actually looks a lot closer to Stetson's silverbelly rather than Akubra's, here.

I must have linked to it before. Yeah, it's a B&W shot, and I agree it makes the color look quite amazing... yes even Stetson-like.

... reminds me of one of my fathers Stetson LBJ's I'm getting referb'd at Peter Bros. It was an almost identical looking grey as your CD !! BTW will be getting it recreased in my favorite center dent/ front pinch style instead of the Cattlemans crease he wore it as. NICE,NICE hat

Thanks, monbla256. I sold it earlier this year... wish I hadn't now. :eusa_doh: I hope you share pics of the Stetson when you get it. That makes for a special hat, being your fathers.

Randy

 

[Neophyte]

Hmm, I'm not sure why the cattleman's crease is so unpopular with the Campdraft, actually. Perhaps it may make it appear too generically "western?" Or is it the fact that the Campdraft is a pretty high-crowned hat, and the cattleman's crease does not drop it low enough for most's preferences?

The Cattleman's crease might take some getting used to, but when I get my Silverbelly Campdraft, this is the type of crease I plan to give it. I think it looks smart, especially the one Mr. Paladin wore in the "What Hat Are You Wearing Today" thread many, many, many pages back.

Of course, the CampDraft will be a ways off, as I'm enamored with Akubra's Heritage Line as of yet. The Overlander, Lawson, and Banjo Paterson are looking particularly appealing.

It's a great thing my birthday is nearly within a month of Christmas Day !!!

 

[theinterchange]

... making some observations from what I have seen. And if they were the same basic hat production wise, but blocked and finished differently model wise, from a manufacturing standpoint, makes sense to me

Technically, they're the same bodies in different colors stamped out on different blocks.

I get your point now,

Randy

 

[theinterchange]

Hmm, I'm not sure why the cattleman's crease is so unpopular with the Campdraft, actually. Perhaps it may make it appear too generically "western?" Or is it the fact that the Campdraft is a pretty high-crowned hat, and the cattleman's crease does not drop it low enough for most's preferences?

To me, the crown height just doesn't fare well with the cattleman look. I had a hard time making the crown on my CD look lower and failed. It's not really THAT tall, more of an illusion of height, especially on the Silverbelly.

Oh, have you seen the Boss of the Plains? I'd be tempted by this one if it wasn't for the wait time.

Randy

 

[The Good]

To me, the crown height just doesn't fare well with the cattleman look. I had a hard time making the crown on my CD look lower and failed. It's not really THAT tall, more of an illusion of height, especially on the Silverbelly.

Oh, have you seen the Boss of the Plains? I'd be tempted by this one if it wasn't for the wait time.

Randy

I know what you're talking about, the illusion of height. I see other members here wearing 'em, and I just think to myself that it may appear too tall on me the way they have it creased. For me to be most comfortable wearing it, I would have to have it be a relatively low teardrop or telescope crown. I would imagine that would detract quite a bit from the illusion you speak of, although there are many who can pull off higher crowned styles as well. I've been told that I could with my Fed IV, as a matter in fact, but aesthetically I prefer something that sits about 4 1/2 inches high, provided that it fits very well.

I like the open crown aspect of their Boss of the Plains; I mean it gives you many options for different western styles, but the high crown is sort of putting me off. I'd prefer to have a slightly lower crown to work with, maybe no higher than 5 1/2 inches.

 

[monbla256]

That Boss of the Plains looks EXACTLY like a hat ....

... Peter Bros. here in Ft. Worth has made since the 1940's, the Shady Oaks "Oil Man" model which they made for Ft. Worth oilman Amon Carter. ! Take a look here: http://www.pbhats.com/SHADY_OAKS/Default.htm ! Though the Akubra is MUCH less $ wise, the Shady Oks hat is a FABULOUS hat!!

 

[Bebop]

Thanks, Bebop! Those look great!

Are both those hats in Heritage Fawn?

This is what we need on this thread. We've got tons of Campdrafts and Federations and Squatters and Stylemasters, but we don't have much info or pics on their Heritage line lol.

You're welcome. Yes they are both in Heritage Fawn and I agree........we do need some more photos of the Heritage Line.

 

[Neophyte]

Does anyone know how to take a URL and change the URL to text. I've seen you do it a couple of times, Randy, and it would be great to know how to do that for future reference.

At any rate, while we're on the subject of Akubra and Cattleman's creases, check out DavidMorgan's Heritage line Akubra offering, the Burke&Willis: http://www.davidmorgan.com/product_info.php?products_id=1262

 

[James71]

My glen grey CD is done in a cattleman crease. I think it looks fine.