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philli

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About a year ago I started my hunt for a quality leather jacket. I've owned two cheaper leather jackets prior to my hunt, before I was ready to plunge into leather jackets in the 4 figure range. Actually my first "leather" jackets were two cross zip faux leather jackets from H&M and F21 back in highschool since that was all I could afford at the time, so they've always had a place in my wardrobe. Fast forward to my first job after graduating college, I wanted to get myself something nicer so I went to AllSaints for a black zip up during a seasonal sale. I enjoyed it for a bit, but ultimately was still unsatisfied. The pattern was plain, the fit wasn't great as the back length and sleeves were a bit long. The leather was of course....not very substantial, it was lambskin and although I'm aware there are quality lambskin jackets, that was definitely not one of them. I also purchased another leather jacket from Florence Italy in a boutique shop that's not really worth mentioning.

Enough backstory, my first real leather jacket purchase was a double helix western cowboy. I was drawn to the type 1 denim jacket pattern and I really wanted something in horsehide after watching a bunch of videos from heritage style influencers. The price was palatable for a made to measure straight from double helix works (about $1200) and this was before the new U.S. tariffs kicked in. I made a couple of adjustments to their pattern including a shorter body length, shorter sleeve length, and adding stitching around the rivets on the back cinch to reinforce the pleats. When I put it on for the first time, I felt like a million bucks which is not something I felt with any of my prior leather jackets. However, it still fit a bit tight even though it was made to measure. I chose my measurements based off a type 1 denim jacket that I own which fits great and has room to layer underneath. But somehow the double helix jacket still felt restrictive, there was technically enough room in the chest and shoulders are fine, but maybe where the arm holes sit causes it to feel tight when crossing my arms. I also f'd up on the sleeve length. 23in sits perfectly at wrist level but i didn't account for the tunneling which would shorten the sleeves slightly.

I tried convincing myself that the jacket would eventually mold to my body and wore it a bunch trying to break it in, but it is only bearable with just a t-shirt underneath even to this day. I still think it looks very flattering, and have received many compliments when I wore it, but the fit just doesn't work for me even though in pictures it appears to fit perfectly fine. Anyways I'm onto my next leather jacket and I was debating between a D pocket from RMC, hercules from rainbow country and lastly a half belt from Thedi. The half belt from Thedi was a wild card as they weren't even on my radar until I saw a reel of Kenan from wardrobe 19 wearing it. The aging on that bruciato horsehide and the half belt pattern is very unique. He had one more in my size and the measurements on the size chart seemed to have more space in the places that felt tight with my double helix, so I just went for it. I couldn't find a whole lot of information on Thedi besides forums here on TFL and even those posts are mostly just fit pics with a few ranking Thedi as their favorite maker out of a large list including top japanese makers. I wanted to make this post to see how others feel about his work in comparison to other high end japanese makers out there (I may still get a shinki leather jacket from a Japanese maker eventually)
 

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cbez

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Both look good.

I don't think a comparison is particularly productive, there are too many makers in japan making too many styles and patterns for it to be anything but a useless generalization.
 

philli

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Both look good.

I don't think a comparison is particularly productive, there are too many makers in japan making too many styles and patterns for it to be anything but a useless generalizatio

Aside from leather selection, panel matching, and overall construction quality, I guess I’m also seeking for just overall personal experiences with his jackets and what sets him apart from other makers in that regard. So far to me at least, what sets him apart is unique patterns, but that’s just from browsing online. I’m curious to hear from people who have worn his jackets for an extended period of time
 

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I had a really bad experience with the Thedi jacket I ordered through Thurston Brothers. I like some of his jackets but I would never order another one.
 

philli

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I had a really bad experience with the Thedi jacket I ordered through Thurston Brothers. I like some of his jackets but I would never order another one.
Curious what made it a bad experience? And also which jacket you ordered specifically
 

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I ordered the Thedi MTC 12799 in washed tan buffalo. I ordered the jacket through Thurston Brothers because I wanted to use their fit jacket program since I was not familiar with Thedi and his sizing. After trying on a fit jacket, we agreed that I should go up one size, and I told them the chest, and shoulder measurements I wanted as well as sleeve and back length.
When the jacket arrived, the chest and shoulder measurements were both much smaller than I had specified, the jacket did not fit well at all, and was not comfortable to wear. I requested a remake and I received one, but this jacket did not fit well eithe, when I wore it unzipped it looked like a parka or a tent. And the buffalo leather that looked so amazing in photos was rather thin and stiff in person. My happiest day with that jacket was the day I gave it to my uncle for a Christmas present.
 

philli

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I ordered the Thedi MTC 12799 in washed tan buffalo. I ordered the jacket through Thurston Brothers because I wanted to use their fit jacket program since I was not familiar with Thedi and his sizing. After trying on a fit jacket, we agreed that I should go up one size, and I told them the chest, and shoulder measurements I wanted as well as sleeve and back length.
When the jacket arrived, the chest and shoulder measurements were both much smaller than I had specified, the jacket did not fit well at all, and was not comfortable to wear. I requested a remake and I received one, but this jacket did not fit well eithe, when I wore it unzipped it looked like a parka or a tent. And the buffalo leather that looked so amazing in photos was rather thin and stiff in person. My happiest day with that jacket was the day I gave it to my uncle for a Christmas present.
Interesting, I had a similar experience regarding measurements on the double helix jacket I ordered, the shoulders were a tad narrower than expected. Everything else was fine but I put a lot of emphasis on the shoulder measurement during our email exchanges. Not sure if theyre just not being as attentive as I would want them to be due to the volume of orders.

The measurements provided to me on the thedi jacket seem fine though. I guess it also helps that Kenan from wardrobe 19 has more or less the same build and height as me and I ordered the same size he wears for this jacket.
 

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This is tricky, and might not be a good comparison. Thedi make a fantastic, top-tier jacket; so do The Flat Head, Real McCoy, etc. You’re more likely to find Western sizing through Thedi - you would need to go to Harajuku/Shibuya and actually try on a Japanese jacket to be sure about fit.

The relative pros and cons of hides are another factor - Shinki is the hide people get excited about, but it’s very hard to definitively state that it’s ‘better' than the hides high-end makers use because that depends on intended use.
 

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Interesting, I had a similar experience regarding measurements on the double helix jacket I ordered, the shoulders were a tad narrower than expected. Everything else was fine but I put a lot of emphasis on the shoulder measurement during our email exchanges. Not sure if theyre just not being as attentive as I would want them to be due to the volume of orders.

The measurements provided to me on the thedi jacket seem fine though. I guess it also helps that Kenan from wardrobe 19 has more or less the same build and height as me and I ordered the same size he wears for this jacket.
I’m sure you will be fine. I don’t think my experience was typical of Thedi and most people who have ordered from him seem quite happy with their jackets.
 

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I was disappointed with my Thedi. The arm holes were really small and high, it wasn’t comfortable. He does use way better zippers than the Japanese brands you mention though.

The best is if you can try a jacket on before you buy it (or to be able to return it for a refund if it doesn’t fit right)
 

philli

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This is tricky, and might not be a good comparison. Thedi make a fantastic, top-tier jacket; so do The Flat Head, Real McCoy, etc. You’re more likely to find Western sizing through Thedi - you would need to go to Harajuku/Shibuya and actually try on a Japanese jacket to be sure about fit.

The relative pros and cons of hides are another factor - Shinki is the hide people get excited about, but it’s very hard to definitively state that it’s ‘better' than the hides high-end makers use because that depends on intended use.
Yeah I think you’re right on that front. I haven’t personally handled shinki, but I plan to when I visit Japan. I’ve heard that it’s not as substantial as some other horsehides but I think the shinki you get varies between makers.
But like you said, depends on intended use and what you’re looking for. In my case, I like leather that has a lot of visible grain and character but yet easy to wear and doesn’t require a ridiculously long break in. A nice smell is a bonus
 

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I was disappointed with my Thedi. The arm holes were really small and high, it wasn’t comfortable. He does use way better zippers than the Japanese brands you mention though.

The best is if you can try a jacket on before you buy it (or to be able to return it for a refund if it doesn’t fit right)
Ah that’s unfortunate. Did you get a custom or off the rack?
 

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Ah that’s unfortunate. Did you get a custom or off the rack?
Custom. I don’t think I’d do custom again. Tried it once with thedi and once with aero and was disappointed both times. Well, maybe I’d try Johnson someday. It’s local so maybe I’d have better luck that way.
 

philli

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Custom. I don’t think I’d do custom again. Tried it once with thedi and once with aero and was disappointed both times. Well, maybe I’d try Johnson someday. It’s local so maybe I’d have better luck that way.
If I was in the Bay Area I would go to Johnson in person. Though their in house patterns do seem a bit dull, I guess it’s fine if you can direct them towards the style you want.

Honestly with the wait time (and usually higher price) I’m not sure I want to do another custom either, considering i have pretty standard proportions
 

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Where are you based? It would certainly help if you could find a retailer stocking Thedi to get a feel for size and fit.

I can say only good things about Thedi. His jackets are unique in the way he tweaks old styles into something completely new. Also, the way he treats the leather (especially his signature washed buffalo) makes them special.
All this considered, I’d always want a Thedi in my stable but probably not as an only-jacket.

I find his patterns pretty easy wearing, both off-the rack and the one where he measured me up in person in Thessaloniki.
Where it may become tricky is with his size recommendations based on your numbers. Theodoros is a man that likes his leather TIGHT. I’d always err on the plus side when it comes to him offering sizing advice. But again, the jacket I got after him sizing me up fits perfectly to this day.

You can read a ton elsewhere on RMC, Shinki, the lot. Many great options to choose from. Some feel, all things Japanese are either overrated, overpriced or both, but personally I love my occasional dose of them.
 
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I own 4 Thedi jackets, 3 of which were made to measure. They are all perfect, in the sense that nothing could be done (or undone) to make them better. Up to now, that means I have total trust when I order from Theodoros. Which is far from the case when buying online a japanese jacket. I had a lot of misfortunes either because the sizes were off or the patterns didn't match my body type. Sometimes the figures seemed to be correct, but in the flesh, the jackets didn't fit, being too tight or too short. I had some frustrating misses with Freewheelers and Rainbow country, some happy guesses with RMC and Toys McCoy, and through experience, I learned that I had to take size 40 in Sugar Cane and Y2. If I could have tried the jackets on before buying, it would have saved a lot of time and money,
 

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JP makers are mostly OTR repros. Thedi is a MTO custom deal with unique designs and patterns.
Man that DH Wester Cowboy looks SWEET. Really beautiful jacket. Share some fit pics? Would be curious to see how it looks on you.
 

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Yeah I think you’re right on that front. I haven’t personally handled shinki, but I plan to when I visit Japan. I’ve heard that it’s not as substantial as some other horsehides but I think the shinki you get varies between makers.
But like you said, depends on intended use and what you’re looking for. In my case, I like leather that has a lot of visible grain and character but yet easy to wear and doesn’t require a ridiculously long break in. A nice smell is a bonus
Aero’s jerky horsehide or Vicenza would fit the bill. Vicenza is ‘leaner’ and smarter, but jerky is marginally easier to wear. It’s a teacore (as is Vicenza Blackened Brown). I may get a Shinki jacket (I might buy one from the Flat Head store in Harajuku, as I tried a single rider on there. The guys were as excited at the Vicenza Cafe Racer that I had on as the possibility of making a sale), but I think I’d need to be certain on sizing...
 

philli

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JP makers are mostly OTR repros. Thedi is a MTO custom deal with unique designs and patterns.
Man that DH Wester Cowboy looks SWEET. Really beautiful jacket. Share some fit pics? Would be curious to see how it looks on you.
Here it is, I honestly still do like how it looks on me. I might keep it or I might get rid of it and get something in shinki. One things for sure though, I could have added another inch to the sleeves….
 

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