The BORSALINO BROTHERHOOD

[Pellie]

Borsalino black homburg 'Impermeabile'. Seller sold it as a dark grey and on the pictures it also looked as a dark grey, but it turned out to be a "Nero". Nevertheless a great hat in very good condition! Glad i "saved" it ;-)

 

[hatboyrockland]

here is soming you don't see every day. A borsalino satu, it's a clergyman hat (called a shtafner in yiddish) worn by the satmar sect of jews.

It's very stiff but feels plush. It's not made in Italy but under license in hungry by sunemar.
It's only sold in borsalino for atica bouquets.

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[jeffgarf]

I didn't leave the house wearing it (far to hot), but I did just receive this fantastic Torino from an estate auction in Casper, WY that I recently won. The deceased was a prominent person in town and the fight over the estate and subsequent sale apparently made local news. All I know is he had great taste in hats. A Uranio color with a Nero hatband, it is my second hat originally from Gano-Downs of Denver. @steur posted a similar one, color and all, on November 12, 2019.



Brim = 2 ¼ inches with a Cavanagh edge
Crown = 4 inches at the pinch
Ribbon = 1 7/8 inch grosgrain ribbon

 

[steur]

I didn't leave the house wearing it (far to hot), but I did just receive this fantastic Torino from an estate auction in Casper, WY that I recently won. The deceased was a prominent person in town and the fight over the estate and subsequent sale apparently made local news. All I know is he had great taste in hats. A Uranio color with a Nero hatband, it is my second hat originally from Gano-Downs of Denver. @steur posted a similar one, color and all, on November 12, 2019.

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Brim = 2 ¼ inches with a Cavanagh edge
Crown = 4 inches at the pinch
Ribbon = 1 7/8 inch grosgrain ribbon

Nice find, Jeff. These Torinos are lovely hats by Borsalino.

 

[Beren]

Any guesses when this Borsalino was made?

 

[jeffgarf]

Since, according to @besdor at Bencraft, Borsalinos starting in 1973 did have dates on them through a period in the 1980's, I would say the 79 on the right hand side serial number is the date for that hat. 1979.

 

[Pellie]

Agree with Jeff, it's from 1979. Nice hat!

 

[jeffgarf]

Grail item time! Just received this Borsalino Homburg. From Peek & Cloppenburg, founded in 1901 in Düsseldorf, Germany, I will rely on the real vintage experts here to decipher the serrated edge tag and the info on it to provide further detail about this hat.

 

[steur]

Grail item time! Just received this Borsalino Homburg. From Peek & Cloppenburg, founded in 1901 in Düsseldorf, Germany, I will rely on the real vintage experts here to decipher the serrated edge tag and the info on it to provide further detail about this hat.

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A fine homburg you scored there, Jeff. The model code 10K07 upper left always corresponds with the Gulaela madel, Borsalino's most common (and likely most popular) homburg model. We find the cerrated labels (on at least three sides) from 1954 until 1960. Could be German but could also have been sold by one of the Dutch Peek&Cloppenburg shops of which there were quite a few back in the day. Only five of them left today in the Netherlands.

 

[jeffgarf]

A fine homburg you scored there, Jeff. The model code 10K07 upper left always corresponds with the Gulaela madel, Borsalino's most common (and likely most popular) homburg model. We find the cerrated labels (on at least three sides) from 1954 until 1960. Could be German but could also have been sold by one of the Dutch Peek&Cloppenburg shops of which there were quite a few back in the day. Only five of them left today in the Netherlands.

Thank you for your expertise. I could almost make out the Gulaela on the label, but it was not clearly readable. As for the date, I did refer back to your earlier post when I saw the label, but wanted to wait for you to confirm it.

As a religious, hat-wearing, Jewish person, I have to say that the black homburg is peak hat, hence making it a must have in my collection. Been waiting for a Borsalino version to free up and voila! I may even wear this to a wedding in a week and a half.

Edit: Now, more appropriately creased with pinches removed.

 

[jeffgarf]

Well, well. My lucky day. I got back from jury duty (see post on What Hat Are You Wearing Today) to find this beauty waiting for me. A Borsalino Mascotte in Folco from the 1961-1965 era. It was originally sold by and made specially for the famous Radiconcini stores in Rome, my second Borsalino from that store.

 

[jeffgarf]

Yet another one today, "western Style" Borsalino as per the sweatband. 5 inch crown at the height of the bash (where it seems to want to settle) and a 2 1/4 inch brim. Did a preliminary steaming to get it into shape, but will clean more later. Interestingly, the red liner with no Borsalino accents (but is original) and no white label under the liner, but vented in the front. I believe this one was sold in Florence and according to @Daniele Tanto in an older post, was probably sold to American tourists. Really thin, pliable felt.

 

[jeffgarf]

Looking for some assistance with this one. I know the vintage, not sure about the rest.

 

[Daniele Tanto]

Looking for some assistance with this one. I know the vintage, not sure about the rest. View attachment 721806

Where is the hat?

 

[jeffgarf]

Where is the hat?

Coming Attractions. This was a preview until I got out cleaned up and in shape to present.

 

[jeffgarf]

The rest of the hat Loden green. . .

 

[Pellie]

The rest of the hat Loden green. . .

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You know the vintage you said, so what else do you want to know?

 

[jeffgarf]

You know the vintage you said, so what else do you want to know?

I have never seen these styles and colors listed on the forum here. Are they ones that are known to others? Usually @steur or @Daniele Tanto has some information about the prevalence of or the market for certain Borsalino hats not normally seen here on FL, similar to knowing that the Western Style Borsalino I previously posted was likely made for and sold to American tourists in Italy. I like a good backstory, if one is available. Sometimes it's just not, I know.

 

[Daniele Tanto]

I have never seen these styles and colors listed on the forum here. Are they ones that are known to others? Usually @steur or @Daniele Tanto has some information about the prevalence of or the market for certain Borsalino hats not normally seen here on FL, similar to knowing that the Western Style Borsalino I previously posted was likely made for and sold to American tourists in Italy. I like a good backstory, if one is available. Sometimes it's just not, I know.

Misto Vite (grapevines-colored) is a felt with colors obtained from a blend (M. on the paper label) of wool and fur. These are highly original felts that Borsalino probably began producing out of necessity, given the limited availability of furs in Italy, except rabbit fur. In 1901, Giuseppe Borsalino, the founder, signed a trade agreement with southern countries (Australia and New Zealand) for the supply of furs, given the limited availability in Italy.
Mixed felts have been part of Borsalino's production for over a century. I have a hat of that type from the 1920s, as well as other more recent ones.
To find out if Misto Vite (grapevines-colored) is present in the Stefan archives, we await his intervention.
Returning to the Mixed Vine, I believe its base color is light green, the color of the vine shoots in spring.
The photos are a bit dim and don't reveal the exact color.
Borsalino styles and colors are countless: the Western hat, a blatant imitation of American models, sold in Florence is a marketing ploy I have little to say about other than that it's a bit banal.
The M. Vite is a hat, called the "Focisca 30," that has already appeared on these screens.
Jeff, keep in mind that Borsalino has made every imaginable and possible hat, so finding something truly original is often a challenge.

 

[jeffgarf]

Misto Vite (grapevines-colored) is a felt with colors obtained from a blend (M. on the paper label) of wool and fur. These are highly original felts that Borsalino probably began producing out of necessity, given the limited availability of furs in Italy, except rabbit fur. In 1901, Giuseppe Borsalino, the founder, signed a trade agreement with southern countries (Australia and New Zealand) for the supply of furs, given the limited availability in Italy.
Mixed felts have been part of Borsalino's production for over a century. I have a hat of that type from the 1920s, as well as other more recent ones.
To find out if Misto Vite (grapevines-colored) is present in the Stefan archives, we await his intervention.
Returning to the Mixed Vine, I believe its base color is light green, the color of the vine shoots in spring.
The photos are a bit dim and don't reveal the exact color.
Borsalino styles and colors are countless: the Western hat, a blatant imitation of American models, sold in Florence is a marketing ploy I have little to say about other than that it's a bit banal.
The M. Vite is a hat, called the "Focisca 30," that has already appeared on these screens.
Jeff, keep in mind that Borsalino has made every imaginable and possible hat, so finding something truly original is often a challenge.

Thank you for this input. It is the type of information I had been looking for. I am aware that some information has been lost from the forums here over the years and, based upon my search for the Focisca 30, this hat may have been one of them, unless it was unnamed at the time it was posted.
The color on the hat is had to pick up without a quality camera and a photo rig, but it is a darker shade of green that is commonly called loden especially when seen on hats. I do not expect to come across a never-before seen hat of any major manufacturer, but certainly to add to the knowledge of my own collection and to keep a repository of information here for anyone in a similar position in the future is a worth goal.