White's boots sizing

[Gas - Stone]

Hi people - Hope is ok to share this stuff here - I'm looking for some advise/help with White's sizing - It has been more then two years that I'm doing a back and forth with White's on a pair of boot on the 55 last that they seems not to get the fit and feedbacks I shared and all the attempt to address the issues have been a failure (3 rebuild and a try one pair) 2.5 years and still no boot to wear !
I measure on the Brannock :

Left foot HTT 11/11.5 HTB 11.5
Right HTT 11.5/12 HTB 12.5

I have been put into an 11D, then 11D right 10.5D left, and 10.5D left and 10.5E right - and a 10.5D R/L try on - The left boot on a 10.5D worked well until full break in and started to feel a bit short and arch as well a tad short - the right one it has been nothing but a pain in whatever size they threw at me an I keep giving the same feedback that the arch feels short and I get lots of pain in the foot ( shortening cramping of the foot) and travelling pain up to knee and hip, for instance if I wear them a all day for a week I have to wear sandals.
Can anybody give me an idea of what sizing should be and also what is my real Brannock considering arch is longer then overall foot - PS: I went to white's for a potential mismatch pair since I have been struggling for a long time with of the shelf boots. Many thanks.

 

[Ron86]

The common recommendation for 55 last is half down from your Brannock (whichever is longer, usually HTB) and up a width. It sounds like you need a 12 on your right foot and 11 on your left. If you can't get mismatched sizing then I'd try 11.5.

 

[cbez]

Same as viberg.

Maybe the last just doesn't work for you. Every pair has been very comfy for me.

I wouldn't go thru all this trouble just get a different last or maker.

Fit getting worse after break in doesn't sound right.

 

[Gas - Stone]

The common recommendation for 55 last is half down from your Brannock (whichever is longer, usually HTB) and up a width. It sounds like you need a 12 on your right foot and 11 on your left. If you can't get mismatched sizing then I'd try 11.5.

Thanks @Ron86 - so having gone with the HTB measurements was wrong when I got my Brannock sizing.

 

[Ron86]

Thanks @Ron86 - so having gone with the HTB measurements was wrong when I got my Brannock sizing.

HTT is kind of a useless measurement but unfortunately it’s what a lot of stores and shoe salesmen look at because it’s more cut and dry than HTB. This generally causes people with shorter toes to be missized like in your case.

 

[Gas - Stone]

Thanks - it seems like it

 

[Gas - Stone]

Same as viberg.

Maybe the last just doesn't work for you. Every pair has been very comfy for me.

I wouldn't go thru all this trouble just get a different last or maker.

Fit getting worse after break in doesn't sound right.

I see - how's your experience with white's ? I loved them the build and hand sewn construction is great - How was your sizing experience if you don't mind me ask - thanks

 

[cbez]

I just winged it and bought my viberg size (1 size down from my sneakers size) and it worked out well.

 

[AeroFan_07]

It sounds like you need to set up to go visit Whites (and Nick's while out there) in person.

They will measure you properly and get the fit nailed. For me I finally just ordered one size narrower than my Brannock size and boom - it worked. That said, I have multiple pairs of White's & Nick's in anywhere from 10.5D - 13B and all fit and work without issue at this point.

For a little more reading in this area, consider these threads -
https://www.thefedoralounge.com/threads/extended-use-review-nicks-ranger-boots.120941/

https://www.thefedoralounge.com/thr...re-with-normal-shoe-size.106080/#post-2872365

https://www.thefedoralounge.com/threads/whites-original-packer-review.116518/#post-3134059

https://www.thefedoralounge.com/threads/whites-boots-highly-custom-smoke-jumpers-rjl-limited.96463/

And yes, I have a PNW boot problem, for sure!

 

[marker2037]

This is an impossibly long time to try to get one pair of boots to fit. If I were you, I would have given up after the second attempt and moved onto another brand as maybe the 55 last just isn’t for you.

Are you sure you even need a high arch last?

For me, at a 10D Brannock, I own the following Whites:
- 9D 55 last Bounty Hunters
- 9D 5050 last Nomads
- 9.5D MP last MP-Shermans

My left foot is about .5 size down from my right, but not significant enough to get differing sizes. The MP last is my favorite of the 3 as I don’t need high arch, but can still wear it.

 

[AeroFan_07]

And like Marker2037 indicates, be sure of your own arch support needs & comfort, as well as your use-case.
The "56" last (used on Packers) is so-over the top it can really take some work to "adjust" your foot to. I still have one pair of Packers that fit me well, but I can only wear them so long due to the 56 last & arch shape. The 55 last and other more moderate arch lasts fit me better.