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Baron Kurtz said:Now, J, BDSM really is off topic . . . You've been warned before
bk
BDSM?! Never heard of it but by the context----I don't want to know. :eusa_doh:
Regards,
J
Baron Kurtz said:Now, J, BDSM really is off topic . . . You've been warned before
bk
Baron Kurtz said:Yeah, but the topic was kinda boring. Liven it up a little!
Like: The atheist/agnostic/none crowd are in the lead. Go team! I don't know if anyone else is as shocked as i am.
bk
jamespowers said:BDSM?! Never heard of it but by the context----I don't want to know. :eusa_doh:
Regards,
J
jamespowers said:I am not sure how you judge who is in the lead or if it even matters but in that vein, a 70% / 30% split doesn't look like the lead you are talking about.
Regards,
J
Baron Kurtz said:Good point. But the largest contiguous group is non(or not-sure-)-believers. I'm surprised.
bk
Baron Kurtz said:Yeah there's the *real* problem with this poll: A bunch of the different protestant denominations given their own nice little category, and i get lumped in with the d*mn agnostics. :rage:
bk
Miss Neecerie said:Geez...it was just someone's attempt at getting an idea...
Miss Neecerie said:people will argue over anything lately...lol
Etienne said:A very good word picture, BennyHoliday. The poll results, while sad to me, are the very reason He gave His life. Thanks for posting.
Weston said:Well, just to throw my two cents in, there's usually several responses to this that I see, in this thread even.
1. Joking/Mockery: I make a joke to hide my discomfort, or I don't care, so I'll be funny.
2. Devout Belief: I believe what I believe, and I'll try to offer you something from it to add to the conversation.
3. State of Confusion: I'm still deciding what I believe/I have my own system.
I'll say this for all of you out there, who have a combined system of your own, or your opinions about something:
Having your own opinion about something is well and good, but it does not make it factual. Why is it in science, no one thinks personally that "such and such" is true, does nothing to verify the fact, and then takes it for granted that that is the way things are? Because it takes work to establish these facts.
My opinion is, no more than you can guess at the way science works and have your guess "perhaps" be accurate to the way things are, the same cannot be done of religion.
Here's my point, and no, I'm not selling anything: If you want to believe something is truly real, you have to learn about it from an authority or discover it yourself.
If you feel you can guess as to the metaphysical beginnings of the world and the way things operate after this life here, you're taking a bigger chance than pushing the buttons wrong on the flight computer of an Apollo moon shot.
But please don't stop reading there. Here's my point: why do people want to just "make something up" or trust their own opinions about a matter which must have some sort of answer (no matter the level it can be verified at). Because it's a MASSIVE amount of work.
Yes! You heard me. Determining what you REALLY believe is a lot harder than looking through a catalog and choosing "Catholicism Package A with Matching Towels". I've been through "Philosophy of Religion", and three seperate levels of Systematic Theology. I'm spending three years and thousands of dollars to find out and explore exactly WHY I believe what I do, and how the conclusions were arrived at that I embrace. And I can tell you, it was a lot easier sitting on a pew just digesting it and trusting my teachers. Because once you get into it, YOU have to know why YOU believe.
Lastly, for the "neo-pagans" and what not, show me your books. Show me your treatises, your philosophers who have determined your world view. The persuasive arguments that convinced you. Much as you would not just accept MY word for it that my religion is best, neither can I. The difference here is that I am trying (for the benefit of those I teach and encounter in the future) to understand my system for the aid of others. Is there anyone who has provided YOU the proof, or motivations?
This is not meant in jest or meanness. I am legitimately curious to know what convincing factors are moving you to your chosen faith.
Samsa said:Like I've always said, atheists make for good eatin'.
JazzBaby said:So the Ancient Romans had it all wrong...lol