I can't see that, wouldn't assume they sanded excessively? I've seen lots of high end jackets, some with tight grain that looks almost like plastic and.others that are so grained they have real texture.
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Vanson Harley Cycle King Review & Question
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I see that it's not my jacket?
Yup. When I look closely and the grain looks different on different parts of the jacket. I think dye plays a big role in how it appears at first, this thing is new.
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I also just hit it with a crap ton of avocado based saddle conditioner ;-)
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This is what Vanson says about their leather material on their website,
And I still think the leather is not corrected. The craters are not from sanding but from enlarged hair follicles during the dehair process. I am saying this because I have bought seconds Horween deerskin hides with spotty dehair marks very similar to the ones shown, and they were still full grain not sanded down. They went on the seconds market because most deerskins are slotted for aniline finishing and with the ugly dehair markings they cannot be. But still perfectly fine leather. Usually these, if other animal hides, would get painted over and sold as full grain pigment leather, and that's what I did with Angelus pigment dye.
The dehair process,
My own sourced Horween full grain (but with spotty dehair markings) deerskin and the jacket from which I got it made with, there are spots where the folicals are much more noticable from the sulphide solution used. Markings are natural not man made with a sander.
Then pigment dyed by myself at home using Angelus,
Cross section showing hair follicles in leather.
The only thing Vanson could do different on the HD jacket was to use the expensive Pergamena (NY Tannery) leather they used for the Lebron jacket, which I believe has a retail price of close 3 grand. But instead of going with Vanson on the pricey stuff, the HD clothing line buyer went with the Aquaman's RMC collab jacket for that price point. I guess the business decision makers feels that Aquaman can sell more jackets than Lebron.
And I still think the leather is not corrected. The craters are not from sanding but from enlarged hair follicles during the dehair process. I am saying this because I have bought seconds Horween deerskin hides with spotty dehair marks very similar to the ones shown, and they were still full grain not sanded down. They went on the seconds market because most deerskins are slotted for aniline finishing and with the ugly dehair markings they cannot be. But still perfectly fine leather. Usually these, if other animal hides, would get painted over and sold as full grain pigment leather, and that's what I did with Angelus pigment dye.
The dehair process,
My own sourced Horween full grain (but with spotty dehair markings) deerskin and the jacket from which I got it made with, there are spots where the folicals are much more noticable from the sulphide solution used. Markings are natural not man made with a sander.
Then pigment dyed by myself at home using Angelus,
Cross section showing hair follicles in leather.
The only thing Vanson could do different on the HD jacket was to use the expensive Pergamena (NY Tannery) leather they used for the Lebron jacket, which I believe has a retail price of close 3 grand. But instead of going with Vanson on the pricey stuff, the HD clothing line buyer went with the Aquaman's RMC collab jacket for that price point. I guess the business decision makers feels that Aquaman can sell more jackets than Lebron.
Not sure how that posted ;-). My jacket, and loving it!...sanded or not.
Seems there a lot of opinions about leatger quality and use of conditioners. I've read about a few that are great pre-treatment for all leather. My daughter's long career in show jumping open my eyes to fine saddle conditioners. If used regularly I've seen saddles last 20+ years.
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i feel pre-treatment can be beneficial depending on what your using and for what purpose. I intentionally stayed away from silicone, petroleum and even waxes. The brand I use is good for almost any leather. It certainly helps with stretching a jacket that is "new", but made 2 years ago which lost some oils laying around. Now the jacket falls on my shoulders and wraps on the sides.Attachments
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The leather of my CK feels very similar to CW of Vanson C2, except that the CK appears to have a bit more waxy sheen to it. I think the CK is one gorgeous jacket!
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The original run of Vanson Cycle Kings where made with X150 leather (made in USA), it looks like the current version is made from imported leather...
Here is what i know about X150 leather from Vanson:
"Just in case you're wondering and since you asked me in the past the X150 is a complicated story..
Basically up until 2019 Alliance leather had a major fire and closed its doors. That was a local finishing shop up in Peabody / Salem MA. Mike really new what he was doing and he had been finishing waxy leather for us for over 10 years. He was about to retire so he decided not to renovate and reopen.
We got to work and we developed a new partnership with Tasman Tannery up in Maine. We spent 3 months re-creating the recipe and everything looked wonderful so we placed our first big batch order right before covid hit us for good here. When they came back from the shutdowns in ME they could not continue. They had major issues and filed for bankruptcy but did their best to deliver all orders placed prior to spring.
Unfortunately we got Octagon and MI9 from them that belong to the same family but not X150..
So here we are redeveloping X150 for the 2nd time in a year. There's none left in the Northeast that can finish with hotwax and mill by hand. So the new tannery we are collaborating with is in Milwaukee! They've been around for a long time and they know what they are doing. I saw some first samples and they look promissing. We need to get the leather a little heavier on the wax and stiffer then homerun! "
The pull ornaments have been attached like that since ornaments have been attached to jackets.
If you look at old chrystals and letters that people used to customize their jackets in the 40s they where all attached like that.
Many thanks for the insight, wasn't sure if I got a "B" stock. In some ways I like the pulls with clips instead of rivets, gives me the chance to take them off and put them back on if I want to.
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Goos to hear from you. I was actually looking at some of your fit pics yesterday.
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