rlk said:
Sounds like they need a good mediator .... hm, I would not mind doing it Expert determination, too lol lol lol :whip:
rlk said:
My XXXXX Marque Grand Luxe first sold in Naples has an almost identical sweat to the 5X above, only difference is the address of the shop and the liner. (colour etc lol)Bantam Man said:Mario, and others,
I would like to put forward the following hypothesis for discussion:
- Borsalino's produced for the US-market and from, say, the post-war period have the non-reeded sweat with the corrugation.
- Borsalino's produced for the European market from the same period are reeded, and never have the corrugation. (Nb. I am at the office at the moment. I am sure about the pre-sale blocked Borsalino's in my collection being reeded, but not about the Borsalino's that came folded in the triangular boxes. I will fill in this part of the hypothesis later on.)
Any insights?
Bantam Man- Borsalino's produced for the US-market and from said:carouselvic said:Most, but not all. Check out the green hat Lefty just posted.
Thanks everyone, for sharing knowledge and for refining the hypothesis.
Lefty's green U.S. Borsalino is non-reeded, but indeed misses the corrugation. Perhaps the explanation for the corrugation has to do with the thickness of the felt?
In addition to my previous message: the follable Euro Borsalino's are reeded. Dreispitz, perhaps the hat of which you posted an image is an exception to the Euro=reeded-rule because of its material?
Perhaps we can bring this further, step by step.
Here's another pic of the inside of that 5X Borso.Bantam Man said:Thanks everyone, for sharing knowledge and for refining the hypothesis.
Lefty's green U.S. Borsalino is non-reeded, but indeed misses the corrugation. Perhaps the explanation for the corrugation has to do with the thickness of the felt?
In addition to my previous message: the follable Euro Borsalino's are reeded. Dreispitz, perhaps the hat of which you posted an image is an exception to the Euro=reeded-rule because of its material?
Perhaps we can bring this further, step by step.
Scott Wood said:Here's another pic of the inside of that 5X Borso.
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Closest we can figure is early 40s and it was sold in Naples... Salvatore Balbi 260, Via Chiaia Napoli
Scott Wood said:Here's another pic of the inside of that 5X Borso.
Closest we can figure is early 40s and it was sold in Naples... Salvatore Balbi 260, Via Chiaia Napoli
lol [huh] lolfeltfan said:Changin' my name to Scott...
The only thing I have for the dating is comparison to others of known age. I don't know anything "for sure" but early 40s is educated guess.Bantam Man said:Thanks Scott,
May I ask what makes you definite about early 40s as the date?
I have a number of hats from the Balbi shop too. As we know from an older thread, hat shops ("cappellaria") could choose between different liners. Balbi continuously used the "Marque Grand Luxe" liner for these multiple X Borsalino's. There were other options available. Perhaps the "Super Borsalino" also fits in this scheme?
Regards,
carouselvic said:Yes, I own one and have seen a number of others sell on ebay. A homburg Leo sold on ebay recently.
Bantam Man said:Mario, and others,
I would like to put forward the following hypothesis for discussion:
- Borsalino's produced for the US-market and from, say, the post-war period have the non-reeded sweat with the corrugation.
- Borsalino's produced for the European market from the same period are reeded, and never have the corrugation. (Nb. I am at the office at the moment. I am sure about the pre-sale blocked Borsalino's in my collection being reeded, but not about the Borsalino's that came folded in the triangular boxes. I will fill in this part of the hypothesis later on.)
Any insights?
Dreispitz said:Here is a Borsalino Centurion. It features a 1857 - 1957 liner imprint. Therefore the hat may be from 1957 or not much later.
It comes from a French source and was made for the French market. Very soft felt, overwelt 6,5 cm brim.
Dreispitz said:
Mario said:Ja, Dreispitz! Schau, schau - 's a fesches Kapperl! :eusa_clap :eusa_clap