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[Tiki Tom]

Happy New Year!
It is 2021 and ---Thank Goodness!--- the bizarre sightings and mysterious clues continue. Isn't it great to be alive?

This one comes to us again from the U.K. It bears a passing resemblance to the case that GHT raised a few months back. Namely, odd footprints appearing in the snow in Britain. In this case, the footprints are very clear indeed. A woman stepped outside one morning and found weird four-toed humanoid (?) footprints in the frost that covered her automobile...

Here is the full story:

https://www.grimsbytelegraph.co.uk/news/grimsby-news/mystery-over-trail-four-toed-4846538

The piece is a bit short on important details. Were there a bunch of unexplained normal human shoe prints on the ground surrounding the car? Some of those four-toed footprints look like they are in hard to reach spots. Is it a big car? Was there something that someone could climb on in order to reach that far? Or, conversely, does the neighborhood have a history of gnome, goblin, or elf activity?

As we have seen, Great Britain seems to be experiencing a wave of strange happenings.

 

[Zombie_61]

^ I call fake. First, how did the whateveritwassupposedtobe get on top of the car without leaving hand/claw prints? Second, follow the footprints up and over the windshield of the car in the photo on the left. Right, left, right, left, left, much wider right step? Also, perfectly rendered footprints on an ice-covered and slippery windshield? Third, why would whateveritwassupposedtobe walk over the car when it would be far easier to walk around it? Fakity fake fake fake. Amateur hour at it's finest.

 

[Harp]

Happy New Year!
It is 2021 and ------ the bizarre sightings and mysterious clues continue. Or, conversely, does the neighborhood have a history of gnome, goblin, or elf activity?

Sounds like Area 7 Chicago. Its got everything but munchkins.

 

[Tiki Tom]

Happy Friday! Time for more news of the weird!

Today’s topic is a bit removed from our usual fare of cryptoid monsters, but still falls within F.L.A.S.K.’s mandate (see page 1 of this thread).

Many of you may have friends who claim they have experienced Extrasensory Perception (ESP) to one degree or another.

My own story (once removed) is a doozy: My wife and I have close friends who were about to have a baby. Our friend was seven months pregnant. One night she had a dream that her husband was in a fiery airplane crash. Next morning she asked her husband “you are not traveling for work anytime soon, are you?” His response was “no”. He went off to work. She had had her dream on the night of September 10/11 2001. Her hubby worked at the World Trade Center. Honestly, I am not making this up. Our friend survived but was at ground zero for the whole thing. I believe my friends when they relate this story; neither of them would make up such a tale.

Some of you probably know similar stories although, hopefully, not as dramatic. Having a friend call just as you were thinking of them. Somehow “knowing” that a distant friend needs your help. People generally write-off such stories as coincidence. And, who knows? They may be right. Just to be clear: the view of most (but not all) of the scientific community is that ESP is a thing that does not exist.

The whole topic of ESP has been in the back of my mind ever since I heard my friend’s story. These articles brought it to the forefront:

1. A reputable scientist used the scientific method to prove ESP is real. The results say the magnitude is small, but nonetheless large enough to be statistically significant. The general response to the study was that “The research was both methodologically sound and logically insane.” Critics said that although the methodology was “correct” it must also be somehow “flawed”… and that a major rethink has to be done regarding how such tests are conducted in the future. In short: ““if our standard scientific methods allow one to prove the impossible, than these methods are surely up for revision.”

https://slate.com/health-and-scienc...ved-esp-is-real-showed-science-is-broken.html​

2. In 2014, the Office of Naval Research embarked on a four-year, $3.85 million research program to explore the phenomena it calls premonition and intuition, or “Spidey sense,” for sailors and Marines. DoD research indicates that premonition, or precognition, appears to be weak in some, strong in others, and extraordinary in a rare few. Fifty years ago in Vietnam, Joe McMoneagle used his sixth sense to avoid stepping on booby traps, falling into punji pits, and walking into Viet Cong ambushes. His ability to sense danger was not lost on his fellow soldiers, and the power of his intuitive capabilities spread throughout his military unit. Other soldiers had confidence in his subconscious ability and followed McMoneagle’s lead. In a life-or-death environment there was no room for skepticism or ignominy. If it saved lives, it was real.

https://time.com/4721715/phenomena-annie-jacobsen/

3. In the 1980s, the Defense Intelligence Agency began "Project Star Gate," a project attempting to use ESP for national defense purposes. According to Dean Radin, a scientist who worked on the program, it was top secret. "It's actually beyond top secret," he said. In 1989 Angela Ford, a psychic working on Star Gate, says she was able to psychically track down a former customs agent who had allegedly gone rogue.

"I was called into session," Ford said. "My boss asked me, 'Where is Charles Jordan?' I said, 'The man is in Lowell, Wyoming.' And I spelled it: L-O-W-E-L-L."

Ford was off by one letter -- it was Lovell, Wyoming.

"Well, when my boss went to Customs and said, 'We're still getting the Wyoming feeling,' Customs said, 'As we are speaking, we are apprehending Charles Jordan, 100 miles west of Lovell, Wyoming.'"

"So you were right?"

Ford said, "We were right."

There is no obvious explanation for how Ford obtained the intel that turned out to be accurate.​

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/esp-inside-the-governments-secret-program-of-psychic-spies/​

These government programs have officially been shut down. But like the government’s UFO program that was NOT shut down but secretly moved elsewhere, some observers speculate that it is possible that government ESP investigations have been moved and renamed and still exist somewhere in the Top Secret world.

So??? Anything to it? Is ESP a pipedream? Is it real but rare? Is it nothing but coincidence elevated to folk myth? Does everybody have a little ESP? Or is it just your subconscious figuring things out in the normal fashion? Bunk or bona fide? “I don’t know” also works. Got any first- or second-hand stories? Let the evasive joking begin!

 

[Zombie_61]

I don't believe everybody has at least a little ESP or whatever you want to call it, but I absolutely believe some people are connected to something somewhere in the universe that can't be scientifically proven or explained. I could share a couple of stories, but people who believe already believe and those who don't won't/can't be convinced so it's a waste of time trying.

 

[Tiki Tom]

Not at all! Tell us a story or two, my friend. We are all friends here!

 

[Zombie_61]

Okay. Story #1. When my wife and I married in August of 1981 her mother had cancer; one tumor in her brain and two in her left lung, all inoperable, but at that time undiagnosed. Long story shorter, one of Ma's live-in 24-hour nurses was Alice, a 50-something woman originally from Austria and who was a bit of a nutcase with a lively sense of humor. Her daughter "advised" us in advance of hiring her that she was psychic and "would take some getting used to" but was a damn fine nurse. And she was, but Alice liked the family so much that she let herself get emotionally attached to Ma, and as a result her judgement was compromised and we had to replace her. But before that happened my wife and I were sitting in the kitchen with Alice one afternoon just casually chatting over coffee and pie, getting to know each other a little better. We began discussing families and my wife mentioned I was adopted, and Alice immediately got that "thousand yard stare" look in her eyes. Now, I was adopted, but the whole thing was "off the books" with no agencies involved--here's the baby, here's some money, medical bills were paid, done deal. Suddenly Alice starts talking again, telling us details about my adoption that no one but the people directly involved, and my immediate family, knew. She even included a couple of details that I didn't know at the time, but later verified. That "session" was interrupted and we never returned to the discussion, but it was enough for me to believe her daughter wasn't wrong.

Story #2 is more general. In the late 1980s my wife started a new job and after a few years befriended one of her co-workers, Diane. They became such good friends that I got to know Diane as well, and eventually we'd all spend Sundays together, along with Diane's two young sons, as if we were one big happy family. We all had a number of discussions during the typical "get to know you" period, and I noticed Diane had a habit of staring off into nowhere on occasion--again, that "thousand yard stare". One day after we all knew each other better I asked her about it, and she played dumb like she had no idea what I was talking about, then tried to say it was only daydreaming, but eventually confessed that she sometimes knew things that were going to happen before they happened. She further explained that she didn't want people to know because it had caused problems for her in the past, so my wife and I kept it to ourselves. But every once-in-a-while she'd tell us that "such-and-such is going to happen", and soon after it did. This happened with enough regularity that we began to trust her "knowledge", and could make preparations to deal with whatever was supposed to happen when it eventually did. And since the secret was out, we were having a discussion about my birthday one day when Diane said, "Oh, by the way, the date on your birth certificate is a lie." She then told me the date of my real birthday--one of those details that Ma's nurse Alice told me. And they had never met.

 

[Harp]

Happy Friday! Time for more news of the weird!

2. In 2014, the Office of Naval Research DoD research indicates that premonition, or precognition, appears to be weak in some, strong in others, and extraordinary in a rare few. Joe McMoneagle used his sixth sense to avoid stepping on booby traps, falling into punji pits, and walking into Viet Cong ambushes. His ability to sense danger was not lost on his fellow soldiers, and the power of his intuitive capabilities...

These government programs have officially been shut down. But like the government’s UFO program that was NOT shut down but secretly moved elsewhere, some observers speculate that it is possible that government ESP investigations have been moved and renamed and still exist somewhere in the Top Secret world.

Combat intuitive capability is more common than can be first assumed.
However, ESP might not be its cause, origin, or whatnot. Fear, adrenalin, other somatic factors kick in.
Darwinian evolution carries cause to battlefield witness. F....ing New guys, dumbasses, low end IQs
get nailed fast. Time teaches, the wise shut up and listen, do what they're told. Officers included.
Especially second lieutenants. And, no doubt serendipity plays its part. Luck of the draw.
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I've heard about military ESP units. Never had a need to know basis, but scuttlebutt talk too often heard.

 

[Zombie_61]

...I've heard about military ESP units...

 

[Tiki Tom]

Okay. Story #1...

Great stories! First hand and completely unexplainable. Thank you.

I am definitely going to look for that movie.

Regarding all of the above...

 

[Tiki Tom]

. I've heard about military ESP units. Never had a need to know basis, but scuttlebutt talk too often heard.

Very interesting stuff. I would suspect that it is still being actively studied.

 

[GHT]

Zombie, after reading your experiences of "clairvoyance" and your mistaken date of birth, it makes me wonder about your forum name. Are you dead, Sir? (Amazing stories though.)

Stonehenge has fascinated so many in recent centuries, the famous stone circle is only a twenty minute drive from where I live. How, 4500 years ago, did they build it and what is it. There's more information on this website. http://www.stonehenge-tours.com/blog.Astronomical-Alignments-at-Stonehenge.html
These two pictures show the sun's alignment at both the solstice and equinox. I wonder if the ancients knew the longest day and from that they could count down to firstly forage at ripening time and knowing when animals mate and give birth, (for their meat and hides,) later, when they learned farming, when to sow to gain a better crop.

 

[Zombie_61]

...I am definitely going to look for that movie...

Don't try too hard. There are a lot of talented actors in it, but it's a little scattered and never really coalesces. I would almost have preferred watching an accurate docudrama or documentary about the U.S. military's actual experiments with psychic abilities.

Zombie, after reading your experiences of "clairvoyance" and your mistaken date of birth, it makes me wonder about your forum name. Are you dead, Sir? (Amazing stories though.)

Not currently, no. At least, I don't think so. I do believe in past lives/reincarnation though, so if those do actually exist then one could say I have been dead. Or that the bodies I inhabited during those past lives are dead, but I'm not because the soul/spirit/consciousness continues throughout eternity.

 

[Harp]

I've heard about military ESP units. Never had a need to know basis, but scuttlebutt talk too often heard.

Memory jogged...Long ago, twenty years past, I now recall listening to Art Bell's late nite radio program.
A retired lieutenant colonel alumnus such ESP outfit guested with a laicized former Jesuit.
The Jebbie, an old Vatican hand had read the Third Secret of Fatima, which document the LTC alum
had been earlier required to "read" by the military, and he recited his written memorandum on air.
Bell asked the Jeb to verify the LTC allocate which request he adamantly avoided. A rather tortuous
evasion in the finest example of classic Jesuitical prevaricate tradition.

The LTC had "remotely viewed" this sacred document.
The late Art Bell's radio archive might be available on internet if this interests.

 

[Tiki Tom]

I would almost have preferred watching an accurate docudrama or documentary ...I do believe in past lives/reincarnation though

If you have Netflix, you might consider watching “Surviving Death”; a six part documentary on these topics. Although I would say it’s viewpoint is “I want to believe”, it generally takes a fairly sensible approach. I confess that the clairvoyants in the Netherlands were a bit much for me, but that’s just me. But otherwise the stories about Near Death Experiences, signs from dead loved ones, and reincarnation were definitely thought provoking. Even the segment on ghost hunting had more juice than I expected.

 

[Zombie_61]

If you have Netflix, you might consider watching “Surviving Death”; a six part documentary on these topics...

Thank you; I've just placed this on one of Netflix's "You need to watch this" lists so I can try to watch it if my wife ever leaves me alone.

 

[Tiki Tom]

Here’s a good one. Declassified from the top secret vault: NSA and DIA talk about drawing up a data base of known psychics. Your tax dollar in action. ...Or... Do they know something that we don’t?

https://medium.com/remote-viewing-c...ncerns-about-telepathic-hypnosis-6aca638b6b70

This whole psychic-spy business strikes me as beautiful material for a sci-fi espionage TV series in its own right.

 

[GHT]

Brilliant, real life H.G. Wells. I can't help wondering if telepathic should be spelt: "telepathetic."

 

[Tiki Tom]

Well, I have to admit that I was curious about the guy, Joe McMoneagle, who supposedly made a name for himself by using his psychic powers in Vietnam to avoid booby traps. So, here is a Newsweek article that says he went on to get recruited by the CIA Star Gate project. This is where it gets weird. In 1984 McMoneagle was awarded the Legion of Merit (which I guess is a pretty high level medal) in part for remotely viewing the interior of an unknown hangar in Russia and reporting, correctly, that a new type of large submarine was being built there. [This is about half way through the article, immediately above and below the aerial photo of Russian subs.] What?! Did I read that right? The Order of the Legion of Merit? Surely this must be verifiable. I’m assuming Newsweek double checks these facts, right? I mean we are not talking “High Times Magazine” or “The Onion”.

https://www.newsweek.com/2015/11/20...-psychics-can-help-american-spies-393004.html

 

[Harp]

If McMoneagle later served as a remote viewer a Legion of Merit award seems according to form.

Newsweek, sad to say fails any objective reasonable standard now; similar to the New York Times,
a decided lack of intellectual rigor, just rigor mortis. The Times so disappointed I canceled subscription.