Baron Kurtz said:He looked after it. It has moved on to the right home. It'l still be going strong 100 years after he bought it!
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What!?!? The Baron is a young man........ Unless you know something we don't. [huh]MudInYerEye said:Haha! You hope.
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Baron Kurtz said:Funny where these things end up.
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I do wish modern retailers provided it.. The irony is the retailers seem to want to sell that silhouette. Walk into a mens shop and you will see the mannequins wearing outfits with silhouettes just like the one you show. Stroll around to the back of the dummy and the jackets are all pinned.Baron Kurtz said:Dont you just wish they made jackets today with a proper male silhouette like that?
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I cannot imagine why anyone would give that horrible advice. Common sense dictates a pleasant appearance no matter what body shape someone is.Baron Kurtz said:Re: well fitted jackets. When in the States i was constantly being told not to wear jackets which highlighted my body shape (lean, slightly athletic) when going for job interviews etc. I should somehow look like a shapeless pile of fabric, just because? Perhaps the lack of modern off-the-peg manufacturers producing jackets with such silhouettes is a reflection of this mindset?
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KObalto said:Doesn't this all derive from Brooks Brothers developing the "sack suit" in the 30s, the first successful mass-produced suit meant to accomodate a range of body types? This then eventually became the American norm, replacing the English drape and Hollywood styles?
I'm a supervisinng lawyer in goverment and help with interviewing applicants for attorney positions and can not believe some of the crap lawyers wear to job interviews. My favorite? Prominent french cuffs with an even more prominent cigarette burn hole. We would be very impressed by an applicant in a suit with a nice silhouette.Baron Kurtz said:Re: well fitted jackets. When in the States i was constantly being told not to wear jackets which highlighted my body shape (lean, slightly athletic) when going for job interviews etc. I should somehow look like a shapeless pile of fabric, just because? Perhaps the lack of modern off-the-peg manufacturers producing jackets with such silhouettes is a reflection of this mindset?
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Rittmeister said:I am going to go out on a limb and touch a subject that some may find controversial. It might even be a good subject for another thread.
I think the move away from highlighting, or towards hiding, the male silhouette, at least in mainstream America, may be related to post-WWII homophobia in America. I have spent a lot of time reading about American social customs, and traveling in and working with people from other cultures. One example: I spent a couple of years on Italian cruise ships in the early 70's, and I was always impressed by the officers' summer uniforms that were so tight that nothing would fit in their pockets.
My unscientific conclusion is that many American aversions are to things that somehow American men (and maybe some women) associate as effeminate, less than manly, gay or whatever. There are many examples of these: feelings about types of clothing (i.e., bathing suits), sterotypes about men interested in cultural and artistic things, labeling movies as "chic flics", peer pressure into various male bonding rituals, the aversion to anything too suave. And yet, Americans are a schizo group. Film and TV characters embodynig many of the older male qualities, including well-fitted suits revealing a slim physique, such as Daniel Craig as Bond and the star of "Burn Notice" are popular. In any case, I think it is an interesting idea to consider and I welcome others' thoughts.
KObalto said:There may be some truth in what you say. Teenage boys describe any tight-fitting clothing as "gay" (although I think I've trained mine not to do so).
Jerekson said:She uses the word, "womanly" alot.