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Review of MotivMfg Brown Sidcot jacket

dangibbons1981

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1. Introduction

Hi,

So after posting a picture of my MotivMfg Sidcot jacket to the “What Jacket Are You Wearing Today” thread I was asked if I would do a review of it as it seems there were some who didn’t know much about the brand or maybe have seen some of their pieces but have never purchased any before. I came across this brand while doing some searches on Chinese leather jacket makers and they were mentioned in a couple other forums, more in the context of fashion and design than any type of heritage reproduction but I really liked how their clothes took from older workwear and army clothing and seemed to combine/ tweek the proportions and details. With that I usually kept my eye out if they came up for sale second hand and found this jacket being sold in what ended up being like new condition, I paid $900.00 US. Currently these seem to go for around 2400$ US RRP so that seemed like a pretty good deal to me. This brown horsehide version is from Division Road and seems to be specific to this store/season as all other examples I can find are black.

*Side Note: Please keep in mind in my life I've really only owned 5 leather jackets, 3 of those being Aliexpress/tailor Brando level. The only other one I own of what probably is decent quality is my Black Bear Brand roughout shirt jacket so I don't have much experience in leather jackets at a hands-on level. If there is anything more in terms of details or opinions, or corrections you would like please feel free to ask because I also don't have any experience writing reviews so I'm certain there is much I may have missed *

2. Commercial Description of Jacket and Brand

As per Division Road’s Website as part of the release of this jacket:

“ As the icon of the season, we have adapted the body and fit of Motiv’s new vegetable-tanned Dark Brown Horsehide Leather Sidcot Jacket. This is one of the cleanest designed and finest crafted leather outerwear pieces one will ever experience, with inspiration and components combined from Royal Air Force Flight Jackets and 1940’s Car Coats assembled with proportional and anatomical mastery.”

Here is an example of an old 40s British Military Sidcot flight suit.

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Also, this is their writeup on the brand, which seems to be consistent with other websites and how the brand markets itself:

“Created in Beijing by Daniel Gu and Samuel Wei in 2016, MotivMfg seeks to break down the duality between handmade and machine-made clothing. Based in the converted loft of a former 1950's factory, all developments, from sketch to garment, are done within the MotivMfg studio. Using European tailoring methods dating back to the 1920’s, all patterns are hand drafted then implemented with drape and baste fittings on real life models, ensuring the spontaneity of creativity. From working with the most premier and innovative natural fiber woolen and cloth mills in England and Scotland, to revered top cotton weavers in Japan, MotivMfg selects and develops fabrics with their ethos of finesse, permanence, and performance. With a unique approach of leveraging highly talented and experienced former European sample makers, MotivMfg produces clothes from start to finish that combine anatomically tailored shapes with industrial-era construction details as a rebuke to large scale manufacturing.”

3. Fit pics, sizing, details

To give some proportional context to these pictures I'm about 5'10, weigh about 210lbs and have a 44.5 inch chest and can fit comfortably into a pair of jeans that measure 37.5 inches at the waist. The jacket size is 54 (euro) so US 44 approximately.

Jacket Measurements:

23.5 inches Pit to Pit
20.75 inches for the shoulders
26 inches length from the back (the front of the jacket extends about 2.75 inches longer)

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The leather is a vegetable tanned European horsehide, and it is lined in British Shetland wool flannel in the body with quilted Bemberg lined sleeves. The zipper is a Riri g*nmetal zipper and the snaps according to Division Road are a zinc Military Grade Snap. That being said the leather itself wears a lot lighter than I was expecting based on the look of the jacket but still has some stiffness to it. Not knowing the width of it or having the tools to accurately measure I would say this is a midweight horsehide based on the previous jackets I've owned. The zipper feels solid and the snaps haven't given me any issues in the year or so I've been wearing this. The stitching is very clean (at least by my standards) and the leather has a nice buttery feel to the surface.

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4. Opinions

After wearing this for over a year I can say I've been really happy with it. Some of things I've come to appreciate with this jacket is that it can still keep me really warm with a sweater underneath in the winter without feeling heavy at all. The action back, wider shoulders and boxier build also give a lot of freedom of movement while the half belt back lets me sinch it in enough to retain some shape in the body. The practical parts aside I personally haven't really seen another leather jacket quite like it so it does feel like I'm wearing something a bit special. A couple things to note about the design of the jacket though is 1) When the collar is snapped up it really doesn't work comfortably if you have a beard and 2) the pockets in my opinion are really just for holding things, not for putting your hands in your pockets which I am very prone to doing.

I know there is a lot of opinions on jackets/ clothes made in China and I think this brand is a really good example of clothing made there that isn't just a straight copy of someone else's design and is also made with what seems to be a lot of care and creativity. I can see myself wearing this for a long time and budget allowing I don't think I would question buying any of their clothing in the future.
 
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AeroFan_07

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Nice, helpful review. Thank you for the wealth of details presented here, and I agree it looks very good on you.
I also agree how the collar could be a little bit of an issue fully zipped up, but it appears you could wear it less zipped and have found ways to manage it well. Also, it's not something you will see every day.
 

Joseph Hill

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Never heard of these guys. Looks cool, I like non-standard asymmetrics. I agree that big beards and many zipped up collar styles don't play well. Makes sense with a military inspired cut though.
 

dangibbons1981

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Never heard of these guys. Looks cool, I like non-standard asymmetrics. I agree that big beards and many zipped up collar styles don't play well. Makes sense with a military inspired cut though.
Thank you for the insight on the collar. That makes complete sense. Had not made that connection.
 

ProfG

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Great review, thanks for sharing. I had seen your original pic in the "What jacket are you wearing today" thread and found it super eye-catching! The color is great.
 

Edward

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Thanks for posting. Really interesting jacket style. I've seen cloth jackets that looked based on a Sidcot coming out of China before now, but not one in leather. Nice looking work. I've spent a fair bit of time in Beijing with work this last twenty years, and my experience of seeing actual Chinese craftsmanship (as opposed to the mass produced pap specified by foreign markets) is much the same as your own. I looked at the links to stockists on their website, alas the website for their Beijing stockist seems no longer to exist, but I might drop them a line of enquiry about that when next I' headed out that way. Always been interested to find somewhere stocking "our" sort of stuff in Beijing, but never quite managed to date.
 

dangibbons1981

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Thanks for posting. Really interesting jacket style. I've seen cloth jackets that looked based on a Sidcot coming out of China before now, but not one in leather. Nice looking work. I've spent a fair bit of time in Beijing with work this last twenty years, and my experience of seeing actual Chinese craftsmanship (as opposed to the mass produced pap specified by foreign markets) is much the same as your own. I looked at the links to stockists on their website, alas the website for their Beijing stockist seems no longer to exist, but I might drop them a line of enquiry about that when next I' headed out that way. Always been interested to find somewhere stocking "our" sort of stuff in Beijing, but never quite managed to date.
They are in interesting brand for sure, if not a bit illusive. When I fell down a rabbit hole looking at their work it seems they have very different products based on location of the store selling their work. I dont know if maybe they adjust some of their patterns /fabrics to certain stores by the stores input or request. Would be interesting to find out. I find different garments and styles from them in North America, Europe and Japan. Either way their work is probably not to everyone's taste but they do seem to be balancing rather well in this fine line between workmanship and heritage clothing with something more "runway" in their shapes.
 

Sagar85

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Late to this thread, but very nice too see a detailed review of MotivMfg based on your experience with Sidcot.

To share my thoughts on all responses I see here so far: they are not underrated among the folks who seek quality and details, but surely fly under the radar. I have been following MotivMfg for the past 7 years and love their fabrics sourcing from old school reputable makers across the world, color palettes and impeccable detailing in every product they make. Quality is Visvim’esque imo. From what I have learned, for every season they do a showing for all of their retailers (pretty limited actually with division road and S&S in USA, Burg & Schild and Kentaurus in EU) few months ahead and then try to have each retailer stick unique items for customers. Hence the items you see from one retailer, you won’t see the same at another. There will be subtle differences such as color, pattern additions/ subtractions like pockets, pleats, hardware etc…

My favorite products from Motivmfg so far are their vector bomber using natural waxed canvas from Halley Stevenson and English Aviator Jacket using Fox Brothers British Warm Churchill Overcoating wool. Both are packed with vintage detailing in semi-modern patterns. I own a lot of their shirting unique to Division road store, few pairs of English hunting wool trousers and a wool overcoat. All very good and will last a lifetime if maintained well.

For anyone interested in details about my two fav Motivmfg non-leather jackets, here are the links. I surely hope to get sidcot jacket in future :)

https://standardandstrange.com/prod...h-natural-waxed-cotton?variant=42384766304429

https://divisionroadinc.com/product...rformance-coating?_pos=1&_sid=31e95d83c&_ss=r


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dangibbons1981

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Late to this thread, but very nice too see a detailed review of MotivMfg based on your experience with Sidcot.

To share my thoughts on all responses I see here so far: they are not underrated among the folks who seek quality and details, but surely fly under the radar. I have been following MotivMfg for the past 7 years and love their fabrics sourcing from old school reputable makers across the world, color palettes and impeccable detailing in every product they make. Quality is Visvim’esque imo. From what I have learned, for every season they do a showing for all of their retailers (pretty limited actually with division road and S&S in USA, Burg & Schild and Kentaurus in EU) few months ahead and then try to have each retailer stick unique items for customers. Hence the items you see from one retailer, you won’t see the same at another. There will be subtle differences such as color, pattern additions/ subtractions like pockets, pleats, hardware etc…

My favorite products from Motivmfg so far are their vector bomber using natural waxed canvas from Halley Stevenson and English Aviator Jacket using Fox Brothers British Warm Churchill Overcoating wool. Both are packed with vintage detailing in semi-modern patterns. I own a lot of their shirting unique to Division road store, few pairs of English hunting wool trousers and a wool overcoat. All very good and will last a lifetime if maintained well.

For anyone interested in details about my two fav Motivmfg non-leather jackets, here are the links. I surely hope to get sidcot jacket in future :)

https://standardandstrange.com/prod...h-natural-waxed-cotton?variant=42384766304429

https://divisionroadinc.com/product...rformance-coating?_pos=1&_sid=31e95d83c&_ss=r


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What a great response. Thanks so much for all the added information
 

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