Questions About the United States Navy Peacoat

[AbbaDatDeHat]

The first tag is a 1959 tag. This tag was used from 1956 to 1965, if my memory is correct. It is my favorite peacoat tag.

The second tag is a 1949 tag.

Thanks @Peacoat.
Do you recall ever seeing one that said Coast Guard on the tag??
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Ps: hope you are well.

 

[spoonbelly1950]

Thanks @Peacoat.
Do you recall ever seeing one that said Coast Guard on the tag??
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Ps: hope you are well.

The CG tags say " US Coast Guard" w/ name and rate under that. I just emailed a photo of a CG tag to Peacoat.

 

[Peacoat]

Thanks @Peacoat.
Do you recall ever seeing one that said Coast Guard on the tag??
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Ps: hope you are well.

Yes, doing well, thank you.

Don't recall seeing one with CG on the tag, but that doesn't mean they don't exist. I just don't remember.

 

[spoonbelly1950]

Yes, doing well, thank you.

Don't recall seeing one with CG on the tag, but that doesn't mean they don't exist. I just don't remember.

Peacoat - I emailed you a photo of a CG tag. I also bought a CG coat quite a few years ago. It had the same tag. I bought it for either my son or my wife. Since there was no interest in it , I resold it on ebay I have found it pretty hard to interest other people in the Peacoat bug. Lets see - there is my wife, my older son, my younger son, my step daughter, and my step son.

 

[Peacoat]

Peacoat - I emailed you a photo of a CG tag. I also bought a CG coat quite a few years ago. It had the same tag. I bought it for either my son or my wife. Since there was no interest in it , I resold it on ebay I have found it pretty hard to interest other people in the Peacoat bug. Lets see - there is my wife, my older son, my younger son, my step daughter, and my step son.

The Coast Guard tag you emailed me is a 1947 tag.

 

[spoonbelly1950]

The Coast Guard tag you emailed me is a 1947 tag.

Thank you Peacoat. How is the heat in Tenn? We're not used to these heatwaves up here in NY.

 

[vintagewool]

Quick important question:

What should the sleeve length in inches be on a 1970 USN-issue peacoat size 42R?

Thank you.

 

[Peacoat]

Quick important question:

What should the sleeve length in inches be on a 1970 USN-issue peacoat size 42R?

Thank you.

Do you want it measured down along the curve of the elbow or straight down from the shoulder seam?

 

[Peacoat]

The Coast Guard tag you emailed me is a 1947 tag.

And here is the image of the Coast Guard tag emailed me by Spoon. It is a 1947 tag, or perhaps a 1946 tag. For a tag that is 77 years old, I think hitting the date within a year or two is accurate enough.

Obviously, this tag does show that is a CG peacoat.

 

[vintagewool]

Do you want it measured down along the curve of the elbow or straight down from the shoulder seam?

I'm looking for the mil-spec length, including (now that you mention it) the mil-spec for how to measure that length, whether the elbow method or otherwise.

 

[Peacoat]

I'm looking for the mil-spec length, including (now that you mention it) the mil-spec for how to measure that length, whether the elbow method or otherwise.

Not sure that I can help you unless you tell me how you want it measured. And I don't know that there is a "mil-spec" method for measuring sleeve length.

 

[spoonbelly1950]

And here is the image of the Coast Guard tag emailed me by Spoon. It is a 1947 tag, or perhaps a 1946 tag. For a tag that is 77 years old, I think hitting the date within a year or two is accurate enough.

Obviously, this tag does show that is a CG peacoat.

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I had bought a CG coat quite a few years ago. I never did find out the date of that coat. I did resell back on eBay. It did have the same CG tag as the tag above.

 

[Peacoat]

I had bought a CG coat quite a few years ago. I never did find out the date of that coat. I did resell back on eBay. It did have the same CG tag as the tag above.

Makes no difference now that you have sold it, but if it was the exact same tag, it, too, was a 1947 coat.

 

[spoonbelly1950]

Makes no difference now that you have sold it, but if it was the exact same tag, it, too, was a 1947 coat.

Thank you for your help Peacoat.

 

[vintagewool]

Not sure that I can help you unless you tell me how you want it measured. And I don't know that there is a "mil-spec" method for measuring sleeve length.

OK, so I can only have 1 number (measurement), and I must pick only from those 2 choices, and only using the words from those 2 choices even if 1 of them is mil-spec? I'll take "straight" for $500, Alex.

 

[Peacoat]

If you would tell me what you are trying to accomplish, it might be easier for me to figure out. I've been researching peacoats for 24 years.

 

[vintagewool]

If you would tell me what you are trying to accomplish, it might be easier for me to figure out. I've been researching peacoats for 24 years.

Thank you, now that I unambiguously have selected "straight," purpose would be yet another criterion to add to the list, but, fortunately, purpose is often not germane to answer simple questions.

Q: What should the sleeve length in inches be on a 1991 "mil-spec"/"std" USA-issue size-Large-Regular M-65 coat?
A: 19.25in + or - 0.75in (per MIL-C-43455J).

https://quicksearch.dla.mil/qsDocDetails.aspx?ident_number=23626

Q: What should the body length in inches be of a WWII size-42-Regular 1941 field jacket?
A: 27.25in (per TM 10-265).

https://www.thefedoralounge.com/thr...intage-and-reproduction-repro-jackets.114745/

Q: What was the "mil-spec"/"std" method to measure body length in inches of a WWII 1941 field jacket?
A: "The jacket length is measured from the bottom edge of the undercollar at the center of the back, down to the bottom of the jacket." (verbatim per TM 10-265).

https://www.thefedoralounge.com/thr...intage-and-reproduction-repro-jackets.114745/

Q: What should the sleeve length in inches be on a 1970 USN-issue size-42-Regular peacoat?
A: ?

MIL-O-24905 Overcoat, Man's, Reefer (Coast Guard) (No Superseding Document)
MIL-C-16290 100%-melton (shell) peacoat?
? 100%-kersey (shell) peacoat?

Without "mil-spec" and the "mil-spec" for how to measure "mil-spec," there is basically no inspection and no "out of spec."

It's surprising that the famous peacoat lacks easily accessible documentation when compared to other items.

Navy men, Army is winning the documentation war. If you were to let Army beat you in history, you might wake to find this thread re-named, "The Navy's Mackinaw."

https://vintagehaberdashers.com/2014/01/13/m1926-army-mackinaw/
https://vintagehaberdashers.com/2014/02/23/1930s-m1926-army-mackinaw-coat/
https://vintagehaberdashers.com/2014/02/16/1941-jacob-siegel-co-army-mackinaw/
https://www.usmilitariaforum.com/fo.../267081-u-s-army-mackinaw-coats-1907-to-1919/

 

[clayman03]

Thinking about getting a vintage Navy pea coat. I am 5’6’’, 165-170 lbs, with a 40 inch chest. I am on the leaner side of things. A 40 measured around 42 in the chest on most jackets. Is that typical? Would a 40R be too long? I wear 40s in sport coats.

 

[Peacoat]

Thinking about getting a vintage Navy pea coat. I am 5’6’’, 165-170 lbs, with a 40 inch chest. I am on the leaner side of things. A 40 measured around 42 in the chest on most jackets. Is that typical? Would a 40R be too long? I wear 40s in sport coats.

If your measured chest circumference is 40" then, a size 40 (p2p of 22.25") peacoat would give you room for a sweater. For a trimmer fit with no room for a sweater, a size 38 peacoat is what you want.

For accuracy, we always use the measured chest circumference. We never state it in jacket or peacoat size.

For more info on getting a good fit in a peacoat, see the below link, which will take you to the Guides Section:

https://www.thefedoralounge.com/thr...ze-in-a-us-navy-pea-coat.110255/#post-2986330

 

[Lorinz]

I have an opportunity to buy a vintage navy peacoat, and was curious about two things in particular. One is, I wonder if anyone can tell if it's truly vintage and determine its authenticity from looking at it? The seller doesn't have much information on it, like it's background or what time period it was made in. The other thing is I see what looks like a few loose buttons, does it look that way to you or am I imagining it? Is that something that's easy to get fixed?

I included the photos of it, any input and advice concerning the authenticity of it, as well as the thing with the buttons being loose would be much appreciated. Thank you.