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[hatophile]

This size 6 Punti Echter Borsalino Homburg arrived today. I am thinking 1930s on this one. The sweatband has some cracking issues and was cut down so might get it replaced and have the trolley cord fixed. Other than that it is in decent shape.

Nice one, Mayser, looks like a nice rich color, too.

 

[mayserwegener]

Thanks! Yes it has a very nice color. You don't see many Echter Borsalinos from this time period.

 

[feltfan]

This size 6 Punti Echter Borsalino Homburg arrived today. I am thinking 1930s on this one.

My vote is for 1950s, based on the liner. For whatever reason, I associate that logo with the late 50s-60s.
Note also that, in an odd departure for Borsalino (that you would not see in the 30s) the sweat is reeded.

Very nice hat, though. I'd love one like it.

 

[rlk]

My vote is for 1950s, based on the liner. For whatever reason, I associate that logo with the late 50s-60s.
Note also that, in an odd departure for Borsalino (that you would not see in the 30s) the sweat is reeded.

Very nice hat, though. I'd love one like it.

Most European Borsalino are reeded, particularly earlier ones. The Borsalino stamp with the script logo and perforated age ended c. 1951 so likely a post-war 40's hat but possibly older.
20's and 30's hats both American and European were often reeded. I have a Borsalino sold in Switzerland with that logo on a tip sticker that had a 1942 Newspaper under the sweat as well.
Later American Borsalino are usually unreeded up to modern hats.

 

[feltfan]

I defer to the keeper of the Fort Knox of hats... I was also surprised not to see that corrugated front on the sweat.

 

[mayserwegener]

I was thinking late 30s maybe early 40s because of the war situation. Here is the paper label.

Here is another reeded Echter Borsalino that is definitely pre WWII.

 

[rlk]

I was thinking late 30s maybe early 40s because of the war situation. Here is the paper label.



Here is another reeded Echter Borsalino that is definitely pre WWII.

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I also have pre WW2 Borsalinos with the separate size stamp--don't know the precise date range unfortunately.
I think I can put these Borsalino stamps in chronological sequence but don't know the exact transition points[huh]

 

[danofarlington]

I was thinking late 30s maybe early 40s because of the war situation. Here is the paper label.

Question: If I have a vintage Borsalino (actually I've got two) with a liner like that, can I infer anything about the date?

 

[mayserwegener]

I think it is difficult without seeing photos (outside, liner, sweatband, paper tag) because of Borsalino's consistency. For example here is a similar liner logo from a late 50s early 60s Echter Borsalino. You have to look close to see the differences.

The change in paper tag format that Robert (RLK) mentioned can at least determine <= 1951 which is the case with this latest one. I was just thinking late 30s very early 40s but it might be later 40s very early 50s.

Here is another similar logo from a pre WII Euro Borsalino that is definitely late 30s very early 40s.

 

[Rodkins]

My new Adam Marston in "Bluemetal"

 

[150719541]

My new Adam Marston in "Bluemetal"

Hi Rodkins ¡¡¡¡ Fine hat, looks and suit well, more than obsession, I call it a great pasion, Cheers ¡¡¡¡

 

[Joshbru3]

My new Adam Marston in "Bluemetal"

Thats an awesome color combo with the ribbon and the felt. I love it!! Looks great on you Rodkins.

 

[Rodkins]

Thats an awesome color combo with the ribbon and the felt. I love it!! Looks great on you Rodkins.

Thanks guys! I like this hat.

 

[Johnny J]

Thats an awesome color combo with the ribbon and the felt. I love it!! Looks great on you Rodkins.

Yes, I agree! Very Nice Lid!

 

[rlk]

The change in paper tag format that Robert (RLK) mentioned can at least determine <= 1951 which is the case with this latest one. I was just thinking late 30s very early 40s but it might be later 40s very early 50s.

To clarify--the c. '51 date is a general idea and not a precise year. This is based upon the observation that USA OPS tagged Borsalino hats show both styles of stamps and a slight majority of the sampling show the later scriptless type. As the hats were shipped from Italy and the sweatbands and tags likely installed by US distribution, the earliest hats would be March '51 and the latest possible April '53. Given the numbers and time involved for shipping and distribution a transition as late as '53 is unlikely but '52 is possible.

"Initially, Truman tried to avoid imposing wage and price controls to slow inflation, instead pinning his hopes on credit controls and voluntary compliance. These hopes proved futile. By the end of September 1950, government figures showed that prices for a basket of twenty-eight commodities had increased by 25 percent since the beginning of the war. On 9 September 1951, Executive Order 10161 created the Economic Stabilization Agency (ESA) and Wage Stabilization Board (WSB). The order also allowed for a director of price stabilization under the aegis of the ESA. General Order Number 2 of the ESA formally established the Office of Price Stabilization on 24 January 1951, with Michael DiSalle, mayor of Toledo, as its administrator.

OPS's first act was to announce a price freeze on 26 January 1951. This stopgap measure proved unpopular and unwieldy, and, in many cases, OPS was forced to increase prices. It was not until April 1951 that OPS issued a long-range price control strategy. However, that plan also failed to gather popular support. OPS operations were hampered throughout its existence by the continuous debate over the appropriate level of mobilization and governmental economic control required for an undeclared war. Indeed, Allan Valentine, the first director of ESA, was opposed to establishing price controls. OPS also found many of its efforts undercut by salary rulings of the WSB, especially in the steelworkers' salary dispute of March 1952.

On 6 February 1953, President Dwight Eisenhower's Executive Order 10434 called for the end of all price and wage controls. OPS ended all activities on 30 April 1953 with residual operations passing to ESA."



Read more: http://www.answers.com/topic/office-of-price-stabilization#ixzz1688UNLWv

 

[bolthead]

I just picked up this Barbiso for a song.

 

[zetwal]

I sing so poorly that nobody would give me a hat for a song. On second thought, maybe someone will give me a hat not to sing. Any takers?

Enjoy your new Barbisio, bolthead!

 

[DRB]

I just picked up this Barbiso for a song.

Bolthead, you are whistlin' my tune. Very nice. The ribbon work really makes the hat. Nice condition too.

Rodkins: you can't go wrong ever with a gray hat. I just ordered another gray for myself. Enjoy.

 

[rlk]

Wild Ultra-lite Moth-eaten Mossant

Now even lighter thanks to voracious French moths. The plastic liner looked homemade and is now removed. Don't really know how to crease it.
More in French Hats Thread http://www.thefedoralounge.com/show...-and-makers.&p=1123819&viewfull=1#post1123819

 

[Aureliano]

I sing so poorly that nobody would give me a hat for a song. On second thought, maybe someone will give me a hat not to sing. Any takers?

En joy your new Barbisio, bolthead!

:whistlinglollol