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[g.durand]

Purplesage, I took a look at yours. Very nice. The liners and sweats look the same.

 

[ivansmith1590]

Thank you all! It's my favorite hat. By the way vintage68, I really liked the hat John Smith wore. LOL.


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[Rick Blaine]

>I posted some photos of a thin ribbon Borso I got a while back on the Borsalio thread. Mine is a bit lighter almost like Silverbelly. The hat would be NM except for the foxing on the liner.<

Just outstanding! If a better hat was ever built, I couldn't name it, nice find! :thumb:

 

[Landman]

Beautiful Borsos !

 

[Chepstow]

Many new hats the last days, great find guys, my congrats to all! Keep it up! :eusa_clap

 

[1mach1]

Found this stingy brim Dobbs at a local antique store for $24.00. 2" Grossgrain ribbon, 1 5/8" brim, 4 1/2" crown. I don't know much about Dobbs hats. Anyone have any info on manufacture date? Thanks!

 

[bond]

Nice vintage borso Michael ,color and hat looks familiar.
David yours too is nice looking vintage. Difference in liner is Michaels is silk yours is not. The clue is in angle of seam where it's sewn. On Michaels hat seam is on angle and the silk ones were almost all like this, where David's is the newer version and the seam is straight, almost all of this type are acetate type not silk.

 

[splintercellsz]

I would say 60s for your Dobbs, mach!

 

[ManofKent]

I would say 60s for your Dobbs, mach!

I'd agree - great price!

 

[Purplesage]

Good info and observation about the liners on the two Borsos Scott.

 

[alanfgag]

Good info and observation about the liners on the two Borsos Scott.

Not sure it is correct. Hard to be sure from the photos, but both hats appear to have acetate linings like this one:

Some Borsos appear to be lined in raw silk, but it may very well also be rayon:

Would probably require a burn test or someone with better knowledge of fabric than me to get a positive ID.

 

[mayserwegener]

The sweats and liners are different than what you see on Euro models.

 

[alanfgag]

The sweats and liners are different than what you see on Euro models.

Do you have the oval medallion in a Euro hat? I have quite a few with this liner, but all are U.S. market hats.

 

[bond]

Blue borso liner is silk, at least I would bet on that . And yes Alan I would bet as a rule about the diagonal seam on vintage borso liners . The many I ve owned seem to follow that trend. The straight seam seems to come after ,later than the diagonal seam and are more of an acetate.

 

[alanfgag]

Difference in liner is Michaels is silk yours is not. The clue is in angle of seam where it's sewn. On Michaels hat seam is on angle and the silk ones were almost all like this, where David's is the newer version and the seam is straight, almost all of this type are acetate type not silk.

Not sure on the chronology of the hats you refer to or where the hat below (which I once owned) fits in the timeline... it does have a diagonal seam and does not have a silk liner. I would also guess that many of the liners we (myself included) might be tempted to describe as silky are actually rayon.

 

[bond]

Well then I guess there's exceptions to that thought , Cheesy liners with diagonal seams are out there .
I try to collect the silk variety so that's what I am used to seeing and where I got my rule of thumb to follow. Thanks for clarity.

 

[Purplesage]

Would there be any date that Borsalino switched from a straight seam to a diagonal seam or a transitional period. I have also noticed that more Euro model Borsalinos appear to have reeded sweatbands whereas most of the older Borsalinos in the US market have unreeded sweatbands. Correct me if I'm wrong.

 

[alanfgag]

Would there be any date that Borsalino switched from a straight seam to a diagonal seam or a transitional period. I have also noticed that more Euro model Borsalinos appear to have reeded sweatbands whereas most of the older Borsalinos in the US market have unreeded sweatbands. Correct me if I'm wrong.

I don't know.

It is very tempting, in our desire to understand and put things in order, to make generalizations from our experience. But we have to remember that we see only a tiny fraction of the production of any hat maker... even the most popular.

 

[vintage68]

Great picture!

 

[Purplesage]

Here are three Borsos I own all of which have diagonal seams. The first with the OPS tag dates from 1951-53. The second one is the oldest which I believe dates to the 40s or older. The third probably dates to the mid to late 50s.

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