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[Purplesage]

Stylefelt Backbow

I got this Stylefelt a couple on months ago, just haven't gotten around to posting it. Can't quite put my finger on the color. It has a 2 1/4" brim with bound edge and a 5 1/2" crown which is wrapped in a 1 7/8" grosgrain ribbon with backbow and wind trolley. I'm thinking early 40s or older! Any help pinning down when it was made would be welcome.

 

[ManofKent]

I like that back bow

 

[Purplesage]

Thank you ManofKent. I like this style of backbow better than the porkpie. I prefer taller crowns such as this one.

 

[Chepstow]

Backbows are rare to see, very nice find David!

 

[Joao Encarnado]

Went to the customs house today because they closed on the afternoon of December, 31 (stupid public service tradition) to get a hat. When I arrived, had another hat waiting for me (2 hats on the same day! yeee haw!).

Stetson Quality No 1 with 3,5" brim. Looks like someone tried to crease the brim without steam (hope to remove that with steam). Inside the sweatband there is 577815 printed in it. Size tag is black retangular.

Love the red liner. Maybe the cattleman crease will stay on this one. Gone through the "dating vintage stetsons" threads but was unable to find a No 1 crest like this one.

 

[Chepstow]

That is a gorgeous Stetson Joao, congrats!



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[Joao Encarnado]

The hat I picked up today at the customs house is a Nutria Quality Stetson

Because it was "free" inside the box, the brim in the front needs some attention. Again a hat with 3,5" brim (4" must be a rare thing in vintage hats). The sweatband seems to be dry because as more I mess with it the more it "shatters" as you can see it already misses some bits on the crest side compared it the store name stamp side.
Not a stiff hat like the No 1 (the felt is thinner too) very very soft felt.
Now the sweatband of this hat has something I never saw, it have a kind of plastic fabric just the size of sweatband between it and the hat body.
How old can this Nutria be?

 

[TheDane]

That's a beautiful nutria. The membrane is made out of oil-treated silk (often called "oilskin"). Stetson used it a lot in the 40s and 50s. It's disputed, if the membrane was a good or a bad thing. Some claim, that it trapped the moisture in the sweatband and made the leather rot faster. I have seen a lot of rotten sweatbands on hats with the membrane - but not more than without it [huh]

 

[Joao Encarnado]

That is a gorgeous Stetson Joao, congrats!

Thank you.

That's a beautiful nutria. The membrane is made out of oil-treated silk (often called "oilskin"). Stetson used it a lot in the 40s and 50s. It's disputed, if the membrane was a good or a bad thing. Some claim, that it trapped the moisture in the sweatband and made the leather rot faster. I have seen a lot of rotten sweatbands on hats with the membrane - but not more than without it [huh]

hm. Always learning. Maybe that's why this one is falling apart.

 

[ManofKent]

Nice finds Joao - I'm no Stetson expert, but the second one looks 50's and first one a fair bit younger (70's?).

You might be able to arrest or at least slow the sweatband deterioration with a leather balsam, but it will probably need replacing at some point.

 

[alanfgag]

Nice catches, Joao. :eusa_clap

The Nutria Quality could be 1950s-1960s. A size tag or manufacturing label can help with dating. The No.1 Quality displays the later variation of this mark. We've seen an example dating perhaps back to pre-WWII:

but most are from the 1950s on. Hard to date this one without other elements, but it appears late 1950s at the earliest and perhaps later.

 

[TOuten2]

This is my new Penman, or should I say...this is my "first" Penman. I'm sure I'll be back for another. This hat is better than expected. Someone in the lounge told me earlier that there would be a noticeable difference between a factory made, modern Stetson and a hand made custom...I get it now. Thank you John!!!

Tim

 

[ManofKent]

Nice colour TOuten - look great.

 

[carouselvic]

[QUOTE Size tag is black retangular.[/QUOTE]

1964 thru the 1970's is most likely

 

[Roan]

Vintage Dobbs 40 I just got in the mail recently.

 

[ManofKent]

Roan - nice tall crown

 

[Joao Encarnado]

You might be able to arrest or at least slow the sweatband deterioration with a leather balsam, but it will probably need replacing at some point.

Not sure where I can find such thing…

Nice catches, Joao. :eusa_clap

The Nutria Quality could be 1950s-1960s. A size tag or manufacturing label can help with dating. The No.1 Quality displays the later variation of this mark. We've seen an example dating perhaps back to pre-WWII:

but most are from the 1950s on. Hard to date this one without other elements, but it appears late 1950s at the earliest and perhaps later.

Thank you Alan,

This Nutria’s size tag was the round one. There is only a little bit still glued. Don’t know the typeface or if it had “stetson” in it. The bow is the same as this:

This No 1 also have that sweat proof thing. Here is the No 1 size tag.

Thanks for the help.

 

[splintercellsz]

Jao, very nice looking Stetson!

Roan, beautiful Dobbs!

TO, very sharp Penman. Looks great!

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[bendingoak]

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This is my new Penman, or should I say...this is my "first" Penman. I'm sure I'll be back for another. This hat is better than expected. Someone in the lounge told me earlier that there would be a noticeable difference between a factory made, modern Stetson and a hand made custom...I get it now. Thank you John!!!

Tim

Your very welcome

 

[ManofKent]

Not sure where I can find such thing…

http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/LEATHER-B...omeGarden_CLV_Cleaning_CA&hash=item43c1db0895