German & Austrian Hutmachers

[Yamahana]

Another one I can find very little info on that maybe some here can also shed some light on. Brown/green Meisterklasse also 2 3/8 brim.

 

[mayserwegener]

A recent arrival to AZ, seller purchased in Switzerland in 1958. It’s a fairly nice clean black velour with 2 3/8 raw edge brim. Hopefully @mayserwegener or others can shed some light on its origins.
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Super find! This one looks like 1930s. There is no company mark. It has French on the paper label so maybe French Velour but hard to know since the felt could have been sourced elsewhere. What is the shop on the sweatband? The Velour looks of high quality.

 

[mayserwegener]

View attachment 260993 View attachment 260994 View attachment 260995 View attachment 260996 Another one I can find very little info on that maybe some here can also shed some light on. Brown/green Meisterklasse also 2 3/8 brim.
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Super! This is from Franz Gober München. They were a famous supplier so probably made by one of the Bavarian Velour makers. Is the liner stitched in?

https://germanaustrianhats.invisionzone.com/topic/57-franz-gober-münchen-f-g-m/

 

[Yamahana]

Super find! This one looks like 1930s. There is no company mark. It has French on the paper label so maybe French Velour but hard to know since the felt could have been sourced elsewhere. What is the shop on the sweatband? The Velour looks of high quality.

Here’s a pic of sweatband

 

[Yamahana]

Suoer! This is from Franz Gober München. They were a famous supplier so probably made by one of the Bavarian Velour makers. Is the liner stitched in?


https://germanaustrianhats.invisionzone.com/topic/57-franz-gober-münchen-f-g-m/

Yes the liner is stitched in..no markings on this sweatband

 

[Yamahana]

Suoer! This is from Franz Gober München. They were a famous supplier so probably made by one of the Bavarian Velour makers. Is the liner stitched in?

https://germanaustrianhats.invisionzone.com/topic/57-franz-gober-münchen-f-g-m/

The example you provided in the link is indeed very similar looking as well as the paper label, thank you for the information sir

 

[mayserwegener]

Yes the liner is stitched in..no markings on this sweatband

It's probably mid to later 1950s.

 

[Yamahana]

It's probably mid to later 1950s.

Yes that liner is stitched in as well

 

[mayserwegener]

The example you provided in the link is indeed very similar looking as well as the paper label, thank you for the information sir

It's in the Miesbacher hut style.

 

[mayserwegener]

Here’s a pic of sweatband
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The store has Herrenmode so German focused. Have no idea who made the Velour hat but as mentioned the paper label has French. Look forward to seeing it in action.

 

[Yamahana]

The store has Herrenmode so German focused. Have no idea who made the Velour hat but as mentioned the paper label has French. Look forward to seeing it in action.

Thank you for the information. I’m amazed at the vast resourceful amount of knowledge you have with these German-Austrian hats. It is a very well made quality velour fedora that I look forward to wearing when it cools down a bit more here in AZ

 

[Mean Eyed Matt]

The store has Herrenmode so German focused. Have no idea who made the Velour hat but as mentioned the paper label has French. Look forward to seeing it in action.

Lucerne is located in Switzerland and is the capital of the German-speaking canton of the same name.
In contrast, the western cantons (Vaud, Valais, Neuchâtel, etc.) are traditionally French in character.
The "EXTRA" can come from any language (German, French, Italian, ...), so it does not give any indication.
The surrounding "GRAN LUSSO" is Italian, which is also spoken in a small southern part of Switzerland.

But maybe this was just a "marketing strategy" - a comparison with the high quality Borsalinos etc.!?
Or we do have a hat in front of us, which is made in the "French-German-Italien mixed" Switzerland?
Or maybe it is really a hat from France that got its finish in Switzerland - sold in German speaking Luzern?
Does the size sign tell us anything? YES: international!
59 - German
6 - Italian/French
7 1/4 - British

 

[mayserwegener]

Lucerne is located in Switzerland and is the capital of the German-speaking canton of the same name.
In contrast, the western cantons (Vaud, Valais, Neuchâtel, etc.) are traditionally French in character.
The "EXTRA" can come from any language (German, French, Italian, ...), so it does not give any indication.
The surrounding "GRAN LUSSO" is Italian, which is also spoken in a small southern part of Switzerland.

But maybe this was just a "marketing strategy" - a comparison with the high quality Borsalinos etc.!?
Or we do have a hat in front of us, which is made in the "French-German-Italien mixed" Switzerland?
Or maybe it is really a hat from France that got its finish in Switzerland - sold in German speaking Luzern?
Does the size sign tell us anything? YES: international!
59 - German
6 - Italian/French
7 1/4 - British

Matt, Yes it's a bunch of things. Also the use of CM instead of French Point for size on the paper label. I would say Luzern/Lucerne proper has some French mix but probably irrelevant in this case. I do have some lists of Swiss Hat Companies but with no company mark probably looking at another unsolved mystery.

 

[Mean Eyed Matt]

You're absolutely right, Steve: a wild mix!
What is your thought about the "GRAN LUSSO"?
The CM on the paper label also surprised me,
because the other indications are or can be French:
Or.(dre?), For.(me), Qual.(ité), Coul.(eur), Entrée
Even the handwritten things fit: velour, noir
Just not the size... As you say: probably another unsolved mystery...

Nevertheless: a very beautiful and quality hat that I would like to have!

 

[mayserwegener]

Matt, The use of "Grand Lusso" adds an Italian element. I didn't see it until you mentioned it. Can you detect anything from the handwriting style on the paper label?

 

[Mean Eyed Matt]

I'm sorry, but there is really too little writing to judge much.
In my opinion, the numbers do not say anything.

What I can say:
It is not the Sütterlin typeface that was common in Germany in the 20s and especially 30s.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sütterlin
That means not that much: In this time especially older people used the older typeface.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kurrent
But it is not even that, but already a more modern form of writing.

I really don't know much about this, but I do think
that a simple Latin script was in use in France.
As for Italy or Switzerland - I have no idea...

Well - that does not really help...
My feeling tells me that it was not written by a German.
I think France would fit better - only the 59 cm are really disturbing.

 

[Mean Eyed Matt]

PS: Unfortunately the piece of paper is missing at "Qual",
but would the complete handwritten "Velour" tell us more!?
Also the stain at "Coul." bothers me so much,
that I originally read "Weiss" (white) - old "r" looks like modern "s".
But since that does not fit at all I think it is "Noir".

Maybe it is possible to take an even better photo without destroying the seam?

 

[Yamahana]

PS: Unfortunately the piece of paper is missing at "Qual",
but would the complete handwritten "Velour" tell us more!?
Also the stain at "Coul." bothers me so much,
that I originally read "Weiss" (white) - old "r" looks like modern "s".
But since that does not fit at all I think it is "Noir".

Maybe it is possible to take an even better photo without destroying the seam?

I’ll try but it’s an unreeded sweat and some stitching already undone plus a tear started. I’ll see what I can do. Thanks for the helpful info you’ve provided. It is a very nice quality velour and evidently a little unique.

 

[Yamahana]

PS: Unfortunately the piece of paper is missing at "Qual",
but would the complete handwritten "Velour" tell us more!?
Also the stain at "Coul." bothers me so much,
that I originally read "Weiss" (white) - old "r" looks like modern "s".
But since that does not fit at all I think it is "Noir".

Maybe it is possible to take an even better photo without destroying the seam?

I looked at it with magnifying glass, couldn’t make anything but then again I’m not sure what I’m looking for. Here it is again with a flash and enlarged.

 

[steur]

While I was shopping I found this one as well. I have a ton of hats in this colour scheme, so I don't need another, but...
Kohlndorfer homburg in grey. Size 56 with the brim at 6cm and the crown at 11cm at the center dent. Liner is sewn in and the label is mostly handwritten, but there's a plastic covering of the crown patch. So probably mid to late fifties for this one. The felt is great and has lovely hand, which is part of the reason why I bought it anyway.
Kohlndorfer Velour Hutfabrik Miesbach / Oberbayren was the factory that made it. Steve @mayserwegener's site has some information on the company, but not a whole not is known about them.
Appears to be all original.