Free, Fair and Open Elections

[Katt in Hat]

How important are they to you?

If you believed that victory
by the other side would
overturn all that this Country
stands for and all that you
hold dear, would you subvert
the electoral process,
if you could get away with it?

Would the ends justify the means?

 

[Feraud]

I voted yes.

 

[raiderrescuer]

election...

How can you rig an election that is already fixed.
Can you say "Electoral College" ?

 

[Marc Chevalier]

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[Maj.Nick Danger]

Never!

I think it's already been done, maybe a few times,...and with dire consequences!

 

[Marc Chevalier]

I voted yes.

Why?

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[Katt in Hat]

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He who must surely be in the proximity of morons.

His tag explains...

 

[Feraud]

If you believed that victory
by the other side would
overturn all that this Country
stands for and all that you
hold dear, would you subvert
the electoral process,
if you could get away with it?

Would the ends justify the means?

Based on this statement!
I also expect to feel the full penalty of the law when I am caught. No crybabying from this guy. No deals or ratting out friends. If I make a mistake I expect to pay for it.

He who must surely be in the proximity of morons.

His tag explains...

Care to enlighten me on this comment?

 

[Katt in Hat]

Feraud: Reread your closing tag.

I should not have to explain.

Seems that the ole' wound is acting up...

Ergo, proximity to morons...

 

[Feraud]

I did. Anyone answering "yes" to the question is a moron or on close proximity to one?

 

[Marc Chevalier]

I also expect to feel the full penalty of the law when I am caught. No crybabying from this guy.

How noble of you to be willing to face the consequences for an unethical, if not downright perverse, act. But my question was, why would you be willing to commit this act in the first place?

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[Katt in Hat]

I did. Anyone answering "yes" to the question is a moron or on close proximity to one?

You are deliberately being obtuse.

I shall no longer play your obfuscatory game.

 

[Viola]

How noble of you to be willing to pay the consequences for an unethical, if not downright perverse, act. But my question was, why would you be willing to commit this act in the first place?

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I'd do hard time to keep Hitler out of office. JMO.

 

[Feraud]

I don't know about noble or perverse but if I thought what I was doing was right then I am human enough to be tempted to make a mistake like that.
I am also honest enough to admit it.
As for these polls, I never judge a man by the answer he gives in one of these. From what I read, everyone is a law abiding gentleman. It is their actions that show what a person is truly made of.

 

[Feraud]

You are deliberately being obtuse.

I shall no longer play your obfuscatory game.

You do not know me that well. If you cannot state your comment clealy, please let it drop. Ditto for the silly poll which tells nothing about anyone.

 

[Marc Chevalier]

I'd do hard time to keep Hitler out of office.

I see that you don't trust the electoral process enough to work within its rules. Maybe I should have followed your hypothetical lead and tried to subvert the 2004 presidential election results. Who knows how many U.S. soldiers' lives I could have saved?

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[Baron Kurtz]

No. never.

This is why i did not vote in the first elections for the Scottish Parliament when i noticed that the ballot paper had a unique identifying number stamped on the bottom of it. Or maybe i'm just paranoid (yes, i am, but really there was a number on the ballot).

The need for free open elections is paramount, as is the acceptance of the result, whatever it might be. Hence the difficulty with the statement "we will never allow an Islamist Goverment in Iraq".

bk

 

[Feraud]

I see that you don't trust the electoral process enough to work within its rules. Maybe I should have followed your hypothetical lead and tried to subvert the 2004 presidential election results.

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I do not trust it all that well even though I strongly advocate the process. I am not going to rant against anyone who voted "no" whether I believe it or not. It is just a poll and tells not much at all. Edit: Not that I think you are doing that!

 

[Viola]

I see that you don't trust the electoral process enough to work within its rules. Maybe I should have followed your hypothetical lead and tried to subvert the 2004 presidential election results. Who knows how many U.S. soldiers' lives I could have saved?

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I do not place legality as my CHIEF moral concern. It is a concern but it does not override all others. I like to think that in the era of slavery I would have risked jailtime for the Underground Railroad if not taken up the role of John Brown.

I guess I don't respect The Law.

Would I cheat an election just to avoid bad management and stupid politicians? No. But there are circumstances where to abide by the law is not moral.

But like killing someone, its for only greatest extremity.

 

[Marc Chevalier]

"Free, fair and open elections" can lead to results that alarm you. Tough luck for you. I've lived under two presidents (one a Democrat, the other a Republican) whose elections alarmed me greatly. Tough luck for me.

If we're willing to subvert our electoral process whenever it's likely to give us displeasing results, then we might as well get rid of elections. (Dictators love to do this, yes?) Otherwise, bite the bullet.

Do your best to defeat your foes within the legal framework of the electoral process. I believe very strongly in our American system of government, and I'll stand by it forever -- even when it hurts to do so.

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