Footwear to go with our jackets

[Edward]

Truman Black Horse Rump

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Nice jeans, too.

 

[Jin431]

Keep us posted on how this leather wears. It's gonna be killer I presume.

Will do, it will take a while but these are keepers and my best fitting pair of boots. This is my favorite black leather, I'm getting a monkey boot and an engineer made of the same hide lol

Nice jeans, too.

It's my 2nd selvage denim although it's a 36" inseam, so this is my first time folding the hem which is not bad but needs getting used to.

 

[TG3]

Will do, it will take a while but these are keepers and my best fitting pair of boots. This is my favorite black leather, I'm getting a monkey boot and an engineer made of the same hide lol


It's my 2nd selvage denim although it's a 36" inseam, so this is my first time folding the hem which is not bad but needs getting used to.

Get those bad boys hemmed haha! It obviously all depends on how you like to cuff your jeans. I'm more of a two inch cuff kinda guy myself.

 

[Jin431]

Get those bad boys hemmed haha! It obviously all depends on how you like to cuff your jeans. I'm more of a two inch cuff kinda guy myself.

Do I have to wash it first? I already wore it like 4 times already lol the 21oz brave star wasn't so bad but it is definitely not comfy compared to mall denim. I think I'll go with 2-3 inch cuff with the railcar order.

 

[TG3]

Do I have to wash it first? I already wore it like 4 times already lol the 21oz brave star wasn't so bad but it is definitely not comfy compared to mall denim. I think I'll go with 2-3 inch cuff with the railcar order.

Some denim shrinks more than others but if you buy the jeans "one wash" from the retailer you will be fine as almost all the shrink is already occurred. I buy most of my denim in a "one wash" instead or raw or unsanforized. It just takes the guess work out of sizing. I had railcar hem my jeans before they shipped them to me since they have chainstitching on-site. Just had them hem them about 2 in longer than my actual inseam.

You sure you want to jump in this denim game bro??? Next thing you know you'll have 10 pairs haha

 

[Fonzie]

Are these 21oz black Brave Star, if so, which fit?
Cheers.

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[Jin431]

Some denim shrinks more than others but if you buy the jeans "one wash" from the retailer you will be fine as almost all the shrink is already occurred. I buy most of my denim in a "one wash" instead or raw or unsanforized. It just takes the guess work out of sizing. I had railcar hem my jeans before they shipped them to me since they have chainstitching on-site. Just had them hem them about 2 in longer than my actual inseam.

You sure you want to jump in this denim game bro??? Next thing you know you'll have 10 pairs haha

I also prefer the one wash, now that you mention how easy it is to live with lol
I'll follow the recommendation about having them hemmed before delivery, save a whole lot of trouble. Zip fly or button fly? What's your take on it?

I bought two pairs already lol this double black brave star and a sanforized pure blue Japan indigo denim at standard and strange they have on last call. I want the black indigo from railcar and maybe 1-2 more Japanese made denim (pure blue Japan probably).

Oh boy I'm down a different rabbit hole again hahaha

Are these 21oz black Brave Star, if so, which fit?
Cheers.

Yes, the double black 21oz in slim taper. I had to size up, my true to size fit was too uncomfortable and it would not fit over my thighs lol

 

[Fonzie]

Yes, the double black 21oz in slim taper. I had to size up, my true to size fit was too uncomfortable and it would not fit over my thighs lol

Size up?! I thought you needed to size down with Bravestar!
Now I’m not sure which size order.

 

[Jin431]

Size up?! I thought you needed to size down with Bravestar!
Now I’m not sure which size order.

I think maybe for the slimmer cut and how thick it is, my go to waist band measurement is 29-30". I should have been a size 28 based on the chart which I initially ordered. When I got it, the pants won't slide over my thighs let alone being able to zip it up lol

Maybe if you go with a regular taper or slim straight maybe you can go true to size

 

[TG3]

I also prefer the one wash, now that you mention how easy it is to live with lol
I'll follow the recommendation about having them hemmed before delivery, save a whole lot of trouble. Zip fly or button fly? What's your take on it?

I bought two pairs already lol this double black brave star and a sanforized pure blue Japan indigo denim at standard and strange they have on last call. I want the black indigo from railcar and maybe 1-2 more Japanese made denim (pure blue Japan probably).

Oh boy I'm down a different rabbit hole again hahaha




Yes, the double black 21oz in slim taper. I had to size up, my true to size fit was too uncomfortable and it would not fit over my thighs lol

Oh it's definitely an easy rabbithole to go down. And to your earlier point, the denim definitely doesn't start out very comfortable in comparison to your mall brand jeans. A large reason is the starch they put on the jeans to help with manufacturing and some denimheads even add more starch to their jeans to assist with fading. It's just like breaking in a heavy leather jacket. It gets more comfortable with wear. I've got some 15 oz Momotaro and some 18 oz Pure Blue Japan and they're super comfortable now. It all just depends on what you are trying to accomplish (sick fades or softening for more comfortable wearing).

You won't find many selvedge denim (especially Japanese brands) with zip Flys. Buttons are more Heritage appropriate and thats what most makers are going for (jeans like they used to make them). I personally don't mind the buttons. Most jeans are hard to button when you first get them. Don't worry the buttonholes will soften up and it won't be a pain in the *** every time you gotta take a leak lol.

Like I said.. you can go down a real rabbithole. Check out Okayama Denim. Great company that does a ton of collaborations.

 

[Fonzie]

Oh it's definitely an easy rabbithole to go down. And to your earlier point, the denim definitely doesn't start out very comfortable in comparison to your mall brand jeans. A large reason is the starch they put on the jeans to help with manufacturing and some denimheads even add more starch to their jeans to assist with fading. It's just like breaking in a heavy leather jacket. It gets more comfortable with wear. I've got some 15 oz Momotaro and some 18 oz Pure Blue Japan and they're super comfortable now. It all just depends on what you are trying to accomplish (sick fades or softening for more comfortable wearing).

You won't find many selvedge denim (especially Japanese brands) with zip Flys. Buttons are more Heritage appropriate and thats what most makers are going for (jeans like they used to make them). I personally don't mind the buttons. Most jeans are hard to button when you first get them. Don't worry the buttonholes will soften up and it won't be a pain in the *** every time you gotta take a leak lol.

Like I said.. you can go down a real rabbithole. Check out Okayama Denim. Great company that does a ton of collaborations.

Kojima Genes does heavy weight selvage with zip fly, which I think it’s a very good idea. Fairly priced too.

 

[Jin431]

Oh it's definitely an easy rabbithole to go down. And to your earlier point, the denim definitely doesn't start out very comfortable in comparison to your mall brand jeans. A large reason is the starch they put on the jeans to help with manufacturing and some denimheads even add more starch to their jeans to assist with fading. It's just like breaking in a heavy leather jacket. It gets more comfortable with wear. I've got some 15 oz Momotaro and some 18 oz Pure Blue Japan and they're super comfortable now. It all just depends on what you are trying to accomplish (sick fades or softening for more comfortable wearing).

You won't find many selvedge denim (especially Japanese brands) with zip Flys. Buttons are more Heritage appropriate and thats what most makers are going for (jeans like they used to make them). I personally don't mind the buttons. Most jeans are hard to button when you first get them. Don't worry the buttonholes will soften up and it won't be a pain in the *** every time you gotta take a leak lol.

Like I said.. you can go down a real rabbithole. Check out Okayama Denim. Great company that does a ton of collaborations.

It's definitely new to me and needs getting used to but I'm up for it. I've broken in 3 cxl jackets already so I'm fairly confident with this. I'm not into the bro sick fades stuff (yet. . .), I think if it's overdone then the pants look just like the distressed pants they sell anywhere. I just want a nice denim, it seems like the fabric they use are nicer on the selvage ones.

Got it, the zip fly is my preferred at this time for ease of use lol
I hate how rigid that is and how difficult it could be haha I had that experience already when the lower buttons won't snap shut so I could only do the top button

I will try to temper myself, I don't want to own too much denim plus in my eyes it kinda looks the same lol

Kojima Genes does heavy weight selvage with zip fly, which I think it’s a very good idea. Fairly priced too.

I saw the site and will look it up in earnest tomorrow. I do like the price on that brand.

 

[Fonzie]

I will try to temper myself, I don't want to own too much denim plus in my eyes it kinda looks the same lol

Oh don’t worry, the more you fall down the selvage rabbit hole, the more the shades of the color blue will become extremely different from each other... lol

 

[dudewuttheheck]

Oh yeah, you have no idea how deep the denim rabbit hole can go. In fact, I would say it may go even deeper than the leather jacket rabbit hole possibly. There are quite a few different routes to go as well. You can go more modern/more texture oriented, heavyweight, or more repro oriented.

I personally have been sticking to repro stuff for a few years now. I hate slim cuts and I prefer more subtle denim texture, though I pretty much refuse to wear sanforized indigo fabrics. My favorite jeans are generally WWII and immediate post-WWII repros.

 

[Edward]

Get those bad boys hemmed haha! It obviously all depends on how you like to cuff your jeans. I'm more of a two inch cuff kinda guy myself.

That's the killer on so many for me - I really dislike jeans without a nice 2" or so cuff; 36" is great for a double roll, though I'm loving the 38" on my Wranglers that lets me do a third roll. Nice bit of body to 'em.

You won't find many selvedge denim (especially Japanese brands) with zip Flys. Buttons are more Heritage appropriate and thats what most makers are going for (jeans like they used to make them).

Took me a while to get used to the buttons when I fist had a pair years ago. I like 'em a lot now, though there's also something very satisfying about the quality brasszipper on my Wranglers. As memory serves, the 13MWZ's immediate predecessor (before they upped the denim from 11oz to 13oz; nowadays it varies around the 14oz mark) the 11MWZ - "men's, with zip" was the first commercially available jean with a zip fly on release in 1947, and it was a big marketing feature. The wife , who is gretly more knowledgeable on women's fashion than am I, has informed me that women who opted for Wranglers over Levis were seen as real bad girls, the 'easier access' zip fly taking a very different meaning for them over men.

I have more of a preference for button flies over zips by a long chalk in "proper" trousers, for one simple reason. At home, I can sew regular buttons back on or replace them very easily; it can even be done 'on the go' in the office in an emergency. If a zip breaks, however, I have to take it to a pro...

 

[Monitor]

Was just thinking today... I found a L30 jeans, even tho I normally only wear 32 or 34 and they look SO much better on boots. I never liked cuffs and never cuffed any of my jeans, but I didn't particularly like the look of a bunched up legs, especially on baggy jeans either so shorter jeans is where it's at.

Jeans are ****py, anyway. Fades are okay but overall, I'd rather if there was a decent alternative.

 

[Edward]

Was just thinking today... I found a L30 jeans, even tho I normally only wear 32 or 34 and they look SO much better on boots. I never liked cuffs and never cuffed any of my jeans, but I didn't particularly like the look of a bunched up legs, especially on baggy jeans either so shorter jeans is where it's at.

I know what you mean about bunched up legs... About fifteen years ago here there was a fashion for men to wear "bootcut" jeans (i.e. stealth bellbottoms) which were about two to four inches too long for them. Never cuffed - they just let them pile on their shoes. What looked really stupid was they they'd always walk on them on the back hem, til there was this big, dirty, frayed, inverted 'U' shape worn out of the back of the leg. Yuk. If yer not going to cuff 'em, get them hemmed or buy them the right darn length!

My parents really don't like or understand the cuffed things. Last time I was over there my dad, bless 'im, asked me "can you not find jeans the right length?" (innocent tone.) Sigh. "No, dad - I buy them overlong because I like how they look when I roll them." "oh." End of conversation. I remember much the same when he was bemused that we wanted, on our teens, to buy clothes out of the army surplus place; in his day, that was for work clothes for labourers and those who simply couldn't afford anything else. Funny how these things go. Doubtless in a few years' time I'll struggle to understand what my brother's kids are wearing. Mind you, I do already - nephew is 14 (the age I started to really pay much attention to what I wore) and he's like his dad - really doesn't care what he wears, doesn't want to stand out. At that age, I couldn't be different enough from the herd (much to my mother's annoyance).

Jeans are ****py, anyway. Fades are okay but overall, I'd rather if there was a decent alternative.

In all truth, I dream of the day when someone will invent the "goathide" of denim: a perfect indigo (or black - with contrast cuff, of course) that breaks in and softens nicely, but doesn't 'fade'.

 

[dannyk]

Same as a few of the other comments here: fades are cool, they look nice; but I just want good fitting, durable jeans. Fades are ancillary to me. If I get them that’s nice and an added bonus. I just like the look and wear of heritage or heritage inspired jeans, and the fact that many of them are really quite durable. So I’ve never really gotten into the denim game. I have a few pairs of Schott, Pure Blue Japan, Brixton, and just picked up a pair of Tellasons. Never worn on Grailed for 40 bucks. When I need a new pair I look on eBay or grailed for good deals on them. I already spend way too much on jackets and collecting t/shirts from fan made reproductions of Clash-Big Audio Dynamite/Mescaleros...so not in on the denimhead or fade bro side of things. Which isn’t to disparage it. Everyone has their thing and it’s no different than the junk I like and collect...just not for me.

 

[TG3]

Oh yeah, you have no idea how deep the denim rabbit hole can go. In fact, I would say it may go even deeper than the leather jacket rabbit hole possibly. There are quite a few different routes to go as well. You can go more modern/more texture oriented, heavyweight, or more repro oriented.

I personally have been sticking to repro stuff for a few years now. I hate slim cuts and I prefer more subtle denim texture, though I pretty much refuse to wear sanforized indigo fabrics. My favorite jeans are generally WWII and immediate post-WWII repros.

I'm still a noob to the leather jacket genre (learned a lot here at TFL) but I would have to agree with you on the rabbithole with denim. There are so many different options and styles. You are into repro and non-slim fitting. Where I prefer a slim fit and into all the little hidden details they can cram into a pair a jeans. It's a cool genre in the world of fashion for sure.

 

[TG3]

That's the killer on so many for me - I really dislike jeans without a nice 2" or so cuff; 36" is great for a double roll, though I'm loving the 38" on my Wranglers that lets me do a third roll. Nice bit of body to 'em.



Took me a while to get used to the buttons when I fist had a pair years ago. I like 'em a lot now, though there's also something very satisfying about the quality brasszipper on my Wranglers. As memory serves, the 13MWZ's immediate predecessor (before they upped the denim from 11oz to 13oz; nowadays it varies around the 14oz mark) the 11MWZ - "men's, with zip" was the first commercially available jean with a zip fly on release in 1947, and it was a big marketing feature. The wife , who is gretly more knowledgeable on women's fashion than am I, has informed me that women who opted for Wranglers over Levis were seen as real bad girls, the 'easier access' zip fly taking a very different meaning for them over men.

I have more of a preference for button flies over zips by a long chalk in "proper" trousers, for one simple reason. At home, I can sew regular buttons back on or replace them very easily; it can even be done 'on the go' in the office in an emergency. If a zip breaks, however, I have to take it to a pro...

Oh wow, I didn't know that about the zippers. Thanks for the history listen as that is very cool. "Easier access" HAHA

I unfortunately don't know how to sew so you got me on that one!