Duane 'Dog' Chapman arrested...

[Baron Kurtz]

That is exactly what Andrew Luster was thinking when he bolted after his arrest and he fled to Mexico where he believed he could not be apprehened and brought back to face incarceration. THAT is the irresponsible act!.. and he was wrong! He, a convicted serial rapist is now behind bars looking at 124 years of prison life.

Duane Chapman did us all a favor by risking his own freedom to go to Mexico and bring this IRRESPONSIBLE convicted felon back to be punished - possibly saving some Mexican women from the same fate of his victims here in the United States.

In my opinion, Duane Chapman deserves a medal of valor, not only from his own country, but from the government of Mexico as well.

Are we sure that we're not just prejudiced against bad hair, and the bad fashion taste of a guy who, having learned his own lessons early in life, now dedicates himself to bringing fugitives to justice for a living? Are we sure that maybe his success in doing so isn't just a little rancorous? And the fact that A&E shows his exploits in modern 'reality tv' format is maybe too real for our sensibilities?

I think many of us just don't want to admit that Mexico itself is governed by a gang of corrupt grafters influenced by drug cartels, and that a bounty-hunter's actions to bring a felon to justice is the least of their problems. It does make one wonder, what's at play here? Sending Duane Chapman and his son and brother back to Mexico, to face their version of "justice", serves no good purpose whatsoever.

If we really had concerns about Mexico's sovereignty and reciprocity we'd demand that they clean up their border security and mass emmigration problem as well as returning fugitives from justice to the United States before we answer their demands for anything from us.

...just my take on the situation. Thanks for reading; carry on.

-dixon cannon

So, Chapman bears no personal responsibility for the crime(s) he committed in Mexico? If he does then surely he has to take what's coming to him.

An interesting stance for a Libertarian to take, Dixon.

bk

p.s. Yes, the rapist is correctly incarcerated, and yes, we should thank Chapman for bringing him to justice.

 

[Feraud]

I’m sure your views would be far different if bounty hunters came and took someone from the US back to another county to stand trial under their laws (or face their idea of “justice”, which usually means just being taken out back and shot).

Just to clarify...

The rapist is not being taken to another country to face their laws. He is being brought back to his country to face his country's justice.. As much as I would have preferred to have seen Mexican authorities apprehend this guy and extradite him, it did not look it was happening.

 

[Marc Chevalier]

... maybe you're comment was just tongue in cheek. [huh]

Not in this case. I really do believe it.


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[Paisley]

I have to say it, I hate "dog" completely. I am not pro-crime or pro-fugitive, but I simply can't stand his bearing, style, attitude, manner, or macho swagger. He is a thug and a goon. He is coarse and unpleasant and overexposed.

This world might just be a better place if he and everyone else with his hairstyle and choice of clothing were rotting away, forgotten in some Mexican prison.

Just saying.

When Chapman was still living in Denver, he was bail bondsman for a couple of brothers who wore expensive, immaculate suits and had manners to match. Those beautifully turned out brothers were "investors" who scammed someone I knew out of over $1 million. In fact, they were, at that time, convicted felons and were scamming a lot of people out of their life's savings.

A good suit and good manners doesn't make someone a good person. A rough appearance certainly doesn't make someone deserving of a prison sentence.

 

[Michaelson]

I don't watch his show, and have absolutely no interest in him what so ever.

That said, and after reading this string, I do have a couple nagging questions....is he the ONLY bounty hunter that works in the U.S. ?(Yep, I think I can pretty much figure out the answer to THAT one myself)

If he didn't have a camera crew tagging along to record a show, do we honestly think he would have taken the chance on going back into Mexico to get this guy? I mean he can salute the flag all he wants, but if there wasn't money on the line (let's face it, he works for bailbondsmen), and a program to record (A&E tv contract), would he have actually taken this kind of chance?

Either way, it would make good press for him and his company.

I really don't know.[huh]

Regards! Michaelson

 

[Dixon Cannon]

So, Chapman bears no personal responsibility for the crime(s) he committed in Mexico? If he does then surely he has to take what's coming to him. An interesting stance for a Libertarian to take, Dixon.

bk p.s. Yes, the rapist is correctly incarcerated, and yes, we should thank Chapman for bringing him to justice.

BK - I think Duane Chapman would be the first to accept responsibility for the apprehension of Andrew Luster and admit that he did so in the face of Mexican law. He was arrested in Mexico and incarcerated temporarily and then paid a bond for his freedom. He jumped bail. He broke Mexican law in doing so. Now, if Mexico wants him back, they should come get him - just like he did to apprehend Andrew Luster!

The question really becomes, what responsibility does OUR government have to expend resources to apprehend, incarcerate and ajudicate, and perhaps extradite this American citizen back to face Mexican justice? If Duane Chapman returns to Mexico for some reason in the future, they have every right to follow their law and prosecute him. I don't think many American citizens would VOLUNTARILY return to Mexico (knowing what we know about Mexico, the regime, and their justice) to face such a fate!

This issue is perhaps a perfect starting point to begin discussions with Mexico about the many problems that exist vis-a-vis emmigration, immigration, extradition, etc. But.... allowing our government to send him back there on principle over an act that did nothing except bring a convicted, sentenced, fugitive felon back to face American justice flys in the face of the true meaning of Justice. The American government should tell Mexican authorities to DROP IT!

Oddly enough, I just watched a Discovery Channel program about our illustrious CIA fftopic: !!! No one seems to raise a voice in concern over the hundreds, or perhaps thousands of laws broken by that *"company" in foreign countries over the years! This Chapman issue (other than the possibility that he could be facing decades in a Mexican stink hole!) is a tempest in a teacup compared with the crimes commited by OUR OWN government in the name of JUSTICE over the past fifty years!

Methinks if Duane 'Dog' Chapman wore a suit and tie and deported himself like a middle-class American college graduate, our collective opinion on his dilemma would be somewhat more sympathetic.
-dixon cannon

*"company"; what the CIA calls itself!

 

[Baron Kurtz]

Oddly enough, I just watched a Discovery Channel program about our illustrious CIA fftopic: !!! No one seems to raise a voice in concern over the hundreds, or perhaps thousands of laws broken by that *"company" in foreign countries over the years!

fftopic: I raise that voice and opinion on any and all possible occasions (same goes for all other "security" services).

As for the appearance of Chapman, i have no idea. I've never seen him.

bk

 

[Absinthe_1900]

There is another headache looming for A&E and Mr. Dog.

http://people.monstersandcritics.co...pman_faces_lawsuit_for_wrongful_apprehension_

SAN FRANCISCO - Mullet headed bounty hunter Duane "Dog" Chapman, who became famous in 2003 for capturing convicted rapist and Max Factor heir Andrew Luster, is facing a legal row brought by Daly City resident Simaile "Cisco" Lutu, 29, who claims “Dog” bit the wrong bone in nabbing him for bail jumping.


The Bounty Hunter spends his days and nights tracking those who skip out on court appearances, tracking them through unusual means and tips from family and associates, piecing together clues that have him laying in wait and busting in on the unsuspecting fugitives.

“Dog” now has some explaining to do.

A lawsuit filed by a Daly City man in U.S. District Court on Wednesday seeks unspecified damages from Chapman and his Hawaii-based group of bondsman, the A&E television network and police.

San Francisco Chronicle reports that the suit filed by Simaile "Cisco" Lutu claims “Dog” and company wrongly tried to apprehend him when trying to snare a bail jumper who played for the Daly City Renegades semipro football team. Cisco said police then continued to target him.

"This is reality TV run amok," said Lutu's attorney, Jim Hammer, also a television legal commentator, in the San Francisco Chronicle.

Dog the bounty hunters crew mistakenly grabbed Cisco think he was suspected drug dealer Samu Savea. The lawsuit claims the incident began when Chapman's son tried to grab and restrain Lutu, thinking he was suspected drug dealer Savea. “Dog” conceded that Lutu wasn't his fugitive.

Chapman, 53, told the San Francisco Chronicle that he was surprised by the lawsuit. "Cisco called me right after the show and said, 'Thanks Dog, all the girls love me now,' " Chapman said.

The lawsuit also claims that Lutu refused to sign a release for the use of his image but that the episode featuring his encounter with "Dog" still aired on this year's season premiere.

 

[pablocham]

By the way, the issue here isn't, as many people have suggested, one of Mexican law; this is an issue of American law. Treaties entered into by the president according to the rules of Article II, Section 2 of the Constitution are as much a part of American law as any law passed by the normal congressional route. Without some exigent circumstances, the executive branch has no choice but to enforce this law. It doesn't matter what the CIA or the Mexican Government do, as long as we remain a nation of laws, the executive branch will be responsible for enforcing those laws.

 

[The Captain]

A new low

This world might just be a better place if he and everyone else with his hairstyle and choice of clothing were rotting away, forgotten in some Mexican prison.

Just saying.

That has to rank as the most unintelligent and biased statement I've ever heard on this forum. Evidently you feel that anyone whose sartorial or grooming standards are different than yours is a criminal. Way to go, Pablo, your ultra-subjective, skewed view, has added so much to this discussion.

 

[pablocham]

That has to rank as the most unintelligent and biased statement I've ever heard on this forum. Evidently you feel that anyone whose sartorial or grooming standards are different than yours is a criminal. Way to go, Pablo, your ultra-subjective, skewed view, has added so much to this discussion.

Maybe I should have marked out the sarcasm/irony in my comment. But for the literal minded: I WAS JOKING!!!!!

I do find him obnoxious and unpleasant, but I think that he should remain as free to be that way as I am free to point that out.

 

[Paisley]

Maybe I should have marked out the sarcasm/irony in my comment. But for the literal minded: I WAS JOKING!!!!!

Maybe so. I'm still trying to find the humor in it. [huh]

 

[Serial Hero]

BK - I think Duane Chapman would be the first to accept responsibility for the apprehension of Andrew Luster and admit that he did so in the face of Mexican law. He was arrested in Mexico and incarcerated temporarily and then paid a bond for his freedom. He jumped bail. He broke Mexican law in doing so. Now, if Mexico wants him back, they should come get him - just like he did to apprehend Andrew Luster!

Anyone else see the irony of a bail bondsman jumping bail?

And obviously if Chapman jumped bail he was NOT taking responsibility for his actions.

 

[Marc Chevalier]

And obviously if Chapman jumped bail he was NOT taking responsibility for his actions.

You have a good point there.

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[RedShoesGirl]

...It doesn't matter what the CIA or the Mexican Government do, as long as we remain a nation of laws, the executive branch will be responsible for enforcing those laws.

surely you jest, but maybe not. they may be _responsible_ for enforcing the laws of the nation but whether they do or not is the real issue.

rsg

 

[pablocham]

surely you jest, but maybe not. they may be _responsible_ for enforcing the laws of the nation but whether they do or not is the real issue.

rsg

No, I don't jest. Treaty obligations are laws like any other. The second part of your comment is a non sequitur: in this case they have enforced the laws by arresting Dog, so what was your point?

 

[RedShoesGirl]

close the borders

No, I don't jest. Treaty obligations are laws like any other. The second part of your comment is a non sequitur: in this case they have enforced the laws by arresting Dog, so what was your point?

sorry, no point.

 

[Dixon Cannon]

Anyone else see the irony of a bail bondsman jumping bail?

And obviously if Chapman jumped bail he was NOT taking responsibility for his actions.

Quote: Mark Chevalier
Originally Posted by Serial Hero
And obviously if Chapman jumped bail he was NOT taking responsibility for his actions.

You have a point there.

I make the point that 'Dog' takes full responsibility for catching Andrew Luster for us. As for jumping bail in Mexico; who wouldn't? We talk a lot about taking responsibility, but if in his shoes in jail in Mexico contemplating spending a decade or two there, I think more than a few of us would "jump bail".

Chapman successfully accomplished the job he set out to do - apprehend a convicted, fugitive felon. Sticking around to to "take responsibility" for breaking a Mexican law would be foolish, if one has any sense of justice and values their freedom. Believe you me; I think any one of us would have high-tailed it out of Mexico, never to return, under similar circumstances. I know I would have, with nary a regret!

-dixon cannon

 

[Dixon Cannon]

Dog speaks out..

... on an A&E Special Wednesday night!
http://www.aetv.com/dog_the_bounty_hunter/dog_family_speaks.jsp

-dixon cannon

 

[Marc Chevalier]

We talk a lot about taking responsibility, but if in his shoes in jail in Mexico contemplating spending a decade or two there, I think more than a few of us would "jump bail".

Then we, too, would not be taking responsibility for what we've done. We hear a lot of complaining about how people these days have no sense of personal accountability for their actions. Mr. Chapman appears to be one of them.

"So what?" is not a valid argument.

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