Best cross zip or double rider jacket

[dannyk]

Is that asking price or sold? We can also add Grailed to look for Perfectos. Grailed is a lot more high end fashion and modern Japanese and cross over fashion work wear stuff….but they have a buttload of Perfectos all the time.

If you live near a store that sells quality jackets, that would be a place to start and go try on a couple.
A used Schott is not a bad idea either. But beware, a lot of the ones on eBay from Japan are pretty old; which is not a bad thing at all, but they will have a slightly different cut and fit.
@Madhouse27 I'm seeing more like $500 on eBay, at least for a decent one that's not a scam.

 

[The Lost Cowboy]

one doesn't need to mock the entire generation of currently living human being just to say he makes good quality jackets

That might be true but that's not what you originally said. Rather, you derided his writing as incoherent and my point was it is not at all incoherent. You might not agree with what he says but the way he says it is rational and lucid enough if one takes the time to actually read it.

As for mocking an entire generation, writers in the West have been doing that at least since the Enlightenment. It's not new.

 

[TartuWolf]

I'm sorry to be the negative nanny here, but this is such a low effort post.
No problem in terms of hyping people up to discuss stuff, but if you want an actual answer then you're not providing nearly enough context / purpose or even asking a specific enough question.
Don't just dump a vague "what's the best...?" question as your first post.
Rather spend time researching the forum, gathering info. "I did search for an answer on this topic, but didn’t find quite what I’m looking for." Of course you didn't find it because you're not looking for anything more specific than a "black cross zip" in a broad range of pricing.
The answers you are getting are a great example of the generosity of this forum. Hope you appreciate it.
And hope you find what you are looking for. Or at least narrow down what you are looking for with the help of all the kind folks here.

 

[Aloysius]

one doesn't need to mock the entire generation of currently living human being just to say he makes good quality jackets

I don't think he's doing that. In a way he is basically writing a long form version of an adage I've heard from both Russians and Poles (@Will Zach probably knows the original expression): "I'm not rich enough to buy cheap things"; in other words, flimsy products, while seemingly accessible, are in fact a luxury because they will require quick replacing. This is also a pretty strong adage in British culture. If you look closely, HM King Charles has many patched suits and shoes.

I mentioned in another thread that my tailor shop has altered 60+ year old trousers for customers. This is because in less prosperous times, across all classes hard-wearing items were the rule of the day. Their fabrics were heavier, coats were made with generous inlay to alter in case you gained weight, etc. And this wasn't just true at the high end. Mainstream trousers at a shop would get more pressing steps in the factory than modern high end trousers get.

Where having something good enough that you can hand it down to your son is now a mark of luxury, then it was if anything a practical step. And you don't even have to go as far back as the prewar "Golden Age" to find this; my mother has mentioned that even women's dresses used to come with more inlay and ability to alter, in the 80s, which today's mainstream clothing simply doesn't.

Essentially he is criticizing something that is downstream from an extremely affluent society.

 

[dannyk]

I don't think he's doing that. In a way he is basically writing a long form version of an adage I've heard from both Russians and Poles (@Will Zach probably knows the original expression): "I'm not rich enough to buy cheap things"; in other words, flimsy products, while seemingly accessible, are in fact a luxury because they will require quick replacing. This is also a pretty strong adage in British culture. If you look closely, HM King Charles has many patched suits and shoes.
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I mentioned in another thread that my tailor shop has altered 60+ year old trousers for customers. This is because in less prosperous times, across all classes hard-wearing items were the rule of the day. Their fabrics were heavier, coats were made with generous inlay to alter in case you gained weight, etc. And this wasn't just true at the high end. Mainstream trousers at a shop would get more pressing steps in the factory than modern high end trousers get.

Where having something good enough that you can hand it down to your son is now a mark of luxury, then it was if anything a practical step. And you don't even have to go as far back as the prewar "Golden Age" to find this; my mother has mentioned that even women's dresses used to come with more inlay and ability to alter, in the 80s, which today's mainstream clothing simply doesn't.

Essentially he is criticizing something that is downstream from an extremely affluent society.

This isn’t the point of this thread so I’ll say this and move on. Cause it’s been done to death over the years here. If all he said was what you focused on you’d be correct. But it’s filled with callouts of what makes someone masculine, America first, unclean lazy, drug users, saying political correctness which such a loaded thing its meaning lost these days, saying people don’t have traditional parents and values anymore, people are slackers and slobs, yeah it pretty much asserts everyone today is awful, weak, and miserable and everyone from his generation and could and strong. Ignoring the various ways the world has gotten way better in modern times. Sure things are lost they always are. No one time is necessarily better or worse. But that’s the stuff in the ramblings that turn people off, get them angry, or make them hate Stu. He makes incredible jackets and his work is impeccable. The jacket world is better with him in it. Each person here can pick or choose whether they shop there or not. People who have had personal convos with him have said he can actually be quite kind and nice. This place isn’t the forum to discuss that especially since this debate has been done to death. I’m sure any old timers here see this topic come up and just totally check out whatever side they take. It’s like ugh this again haha. I just want to point out what it actually is people take issue with. It’s not his work, his craftsmanship, his approach to old school clothing values and making. Yes clothes used to be made to a standard and then mass production ruined them for a long time, and now diversity of product, quality, and choice is back. It’s a golden age. A golden age he helped usher in. But it’s his language, views, and for lack of better words politics that people take umbrage with.

 

[Alfonzo Von Doom]

Schott is the OG, and Vanson is the real deal. So, if you go with one of those, it’s hard to ho wrong.

However, you won’t know what you like till you try it on. These jackets are short and they tend to be heavy. Designed for motorcycle riding, and you have a lot of trade offs to suit that purpose, that you may not like for everyday living. The heft, as mentioned, the cut which is designed for sitting on a motorcycle may be too short for your tastes for walking around, the stiffness, are all potential things that may turn you off.

Then too, it’s not as versatile a jacket as others. Pretty strictly casual.

Another problem, at least for me is that I look like a thug, or a villain in these jackets. I either look very tough or like I’m trying to look very tough, but unless I was playing a bad guy extra in a bad movie, this is not a look that works on me.

They look really good on lots of other people, ranging from playful to edgy to cool to roguish and intriguing, but on me, I look like an A-hole. So not what I would want to cultivate.

How will it look on you? More importantly how will you feel it looks on you?

You need to go try some on and see what you think.