Is it ok to wear hats in stores such as walmart or the supermarket? I know you should not wear a hat in places such as church, another person's home, or in a hospital and more. I want to have proper hat etiquette. I know today's world is very informal, but I want to do the proper thing.
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IMHO no such thing as "proper hat etiquette" in 2021.
Yes. Lots of opinions on the others.
https://www.thefedoralounge.com/threads/all-you-need-to-know-about-hat-etiquette.894/page-50
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We have several threads on hat etiquette.
Sometimes people conflate some military rules where the hat (cover) comes off as the threshold is crossed. For civilians, you should remove your hat when entering into an intimate area (home, etc.), a church, etc. Common public areas, even indoors, do not require you to doff your hat. Same for casual restaurants that do not provide a place to store your hat.
Shopping: hat can stay on.
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Heck, I go to Walmart wearing sweat pants (really just heavy pajamas!) so I suspect anything goes there. In today's world I think it really comes down to developing your own standards. What are you comfortable doing? I take my hat off in Church, in other's homes, (I stay away from hospitals so have no opinion there). Leave it on when in the supermarket, pub, casual restaurants
I carry a silk cloth bag in my pocket so in a worst case scenario I have to place my hat on the floor (church or restaurant) it is protected from dirt/debris.
Awesome, thanks for answering. Yes, it can be a little confusing. I understand formal intimate spaces, but yeah in the military you take off your hat anytime you go indoors. Your answers helped. I'm new to the fedora wearing, with a baseball cap I wore it everywhere practically.
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Anarchy. Mass hysteria. Dogs and cats living together.
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It has been a slippery slope indeed. I am so old that in the first few grades of school we had morning fingernail inspection....hands on desk and those with dirty fingernails got a whack with a ruler.....if the teacher disliked you well then you got the metal edge....and this was public school!
See what happens when standards are relaxed.....civilizational breakdown I tell you!
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I've been to exactly one fancy restaurant that had a coat room and offered/insisted to take my hat. And sure, I don't usually eat at fine dining establishments, so maybe it is a reflection of me. But I don't get the sense that most people/anybody care(s). I've seen guys (ostensibly business types with collared shirts and slacks) wearing baseball caps at white tablecloth restaurants. Certainly Wal-Mart is fair game.
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True. I know of only a few in town with hat/coat checks. But I appreciate the ones that do.
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One thing that hasn't been mentioned yet is that the Hat Etiquette Rules were different for women and men because women's hats often required hat pins to keep them on the ladies' heads, and could be a complicated affair to remove and replace. Regardless, women were required to remove their hats under two circumstances: 1) If the hat is blocking someone's view at church services, live performances indoors, in a movie theater, and so on; 2) When she is indoors at work. Yep, that's it.
Men, however...hoo boy. Men are supposed to remove their hats:
∙ When they're in someone's home
∙ When they're seated indoors at a table to eat a meal, especially in restaurants and coffee shops
∙ While being introduced to someone new (unless this occurs outdoors in freezing weather)
∙ While they're indoors at work, especially in an office unless it's required for the job
∙ During religious services, unless a hat or head covering is required
∙ At indoor performances and movies
∙ In public buildings such as a school, library, courthouse, town hall, hospital, etc.
∙ When the National Anthem is being played
∙ When the United States flag is showcased in a parade
∙ When a funeral procession is passing; the hat should be removed and held over the heart
There are probably others, but these were on the first list I found online. Mind you, these rules are for "dress" hats like Fedoras and Homburgs. For ball caps, both men and women are supposed to adhere to the "men's" rules.
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One thing that hasn't been mentioned yet is that the Hat Etiquette Rules were different for women and men because women's hats often required hat pins to keep them on the ladies' heads, and could be a complicated affair to remove and replace. Regardless, women were required to remove their hats under two circumstances: 1) If the hat is blocking someone's view at church services, live performances indoors, in a movie theater, and so on; 2) When she is indoors at work. Yep, that's it.
Men, however...hoo boy. Men are supposed to remove their hats:
∙ When they're in someone's home
∙ When they're seated indoors at a table to eat a meal, especially in restaurants and coffee shops
∙ While being introduced to someone new (unless this occurs outdoors in freezing weather)
∙ While they're indoors at work, especially in an office unless it's required for the job
∙ During religious services, unless a hat or head covering is required
∙ At indoor performances and movies
∙ In public buildings such as a school, library, courthouse, town hall, hospital, etc.
∙ When the National Anthem is being played
∙ When the United States flag is showcased in a parade
∙ When a funeral procession is passing; the hat should be removed and held over the heart
There are probably others, but these were on the first list I found online. Mind you, these rules are for "dress" hats like Fedoras and Homburgs. For ball caps, both men and women are supposed to adhere to the "men's" rules.
Lots of old photos of men indoors at lunch counters wearing their hats. If the restaurant doesn’t provide a place to safely store your hat then it’s acceptable to keep it on.
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Yes, as I understand it "lunch counters" are fair game and we can all leave our hats on.
Removing my hat or cap when I'm sitting down to have a meal is one of the few etiquette rules I'll usually follow, simply because I don't feel comfortable wearing it while I'm eating. Even then, I'll leave my cover on if there's nowhere safe to store it.
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One thing that hasn't been mentioned yet is that the Hat Etiquette Rules were different for women and men because women's hats often required hat pins to keep them on the ladies' heads, and could be a complicated affair to remove and replace. Regardless, women were required to remove their hats under two circumstances: 1) If the hat is blocking someone's view at church services, live performances indoors, in a movie theater, and so on; 2) When she is indoors at work. Yep, that's it.
Men, however...hoo boy. Men are supposed to remove their hats:
∙ When they're in someone's home
∙ When they're seated indoors at a table to eat a meal, especially in restaurants and coffee shops
∙ While being introduced to someone new (unless this occurs outdoors in freezing weather)
∙ While they're indoors at work, especially in an office unless it's required for the job
∙ During religious services, unless a hat or head covering is required
∙ At indoor performances and movies
∙ In public buildings such as a school, library, courthouse, town hall, hospital, etc.
∙ When the National Anthem is being played
∙ When the United States flag is showcased in a parade
∙ When a funeral procession is passing; the hat should be removed and held over the heart
There are probably others, but these were on the first list I found online. Mind you, these rules are for "dress" hats like Fedoras and Homburgs. For ball caps, both men and women are supposed to adhere to the "men's" rules.
One of my favorites is, "when stopping on the street to speak to a woman who isn't your wife (unless you are carrying too many packages)."
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Etiquette, idk but def common sense.
Always remove your hat immediately after telling someone to STFU.
Saves having to re-crease.
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Always remove your hat immediately after telling someone to STFU.
Saves having to re-crease.
YMMV
B
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Several hat etiquette rules were just plain dumb. "Take off your hat on an elevator if there's a woman present." Who came up with this rubbish?
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Women?
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While the hat etiquette rules morphed over time and do vary with culture… I wonder that we now in a not so hat wearing culture focus on the when to remove aspect. But suspect in real time… when hats were essentially required in certain settings.. a man was probably itching for the moment he was at home or in his private office and COULD remove it and relax. Much like loosening your tie.
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How does the Winchester beaver felt compare to the FEPSA 50x beaver/hare felt?
My only experience is from my Gannon, (granite winchester, finely thin pouncing, reshapable) which is as fine a hat I've encountered.
Im asking because I'd received a sample swatch from Hornskov, and the 50x felt in stone almost felt softer than the winchester, and I wondered what people's experience with both felts may be (how either holds up over time, shapable quality, floppiness, durability...)
*when I searched the forum about Fepsa, it pinged back a thread with some spite and vitriol, so I didnt want to ruffle feathers.