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This may be a minefield question, but I figured Im better asking here than making asking as a separate thread:

How does the Winchester beaver felt compare to the FEPSA 50x beaver/hare felt?


My only experience is from my Gannon, (granite winchester, finely thin pouncing, reshapable) which is as fine a hat I've encountered.
Im asking because I'd received a sample swatch from Hornskov, and the 50x felt in stone almost felt softer than the winchester, and I wondered what people's experience with both felts may be (how either holds up over time, shapable quality, floppiness, durability...)

*when I searched the forum about Fepsa, it pinged back a thread with some spite and vitriol, so I didnt want to ruffle feathers.
Hopefully Brent (DeadlyHandsome) will chime in. Pretty sure he has a hat from the Fepsa 50/50 felt and he speaks favourably of it. I only have experience with the Fepsa 100%.
And Yes, that thread was an interesting read. I missed it the first time around and only stumbled upon it last week. Religion, politics and NOW Fepsa vs Winchester are out of bounds!
 
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This may be a minefield question, but I figured Im better asking here than making asking as a separate thread:

How does the Winchester beaver felt compare to the FEPSA 50x beaver/hare felt?


My only experience is from my Gannon, (granite winchester, finely thin pouncing, reshapable) which is as fine a hat I've encountered.
Im asking because I'd received a sample swatch from Hornskov, and the 50x felt in stone almost felt softer than the winchester, and I wondered what people's experience with both felts may be (how either holds up over time, shapable quality, floppiness, durability...)

*when I searched the forum about Fepsa, it pinged back a thread with some spite and vitriol, so I didnt want to ruffle feathers.


I do have hats made from both felts. Up to now, Gannon is the only custom hatter who has made me a Winchester beaver fedora that really compares well to vintage felt. Gannon has done things with that felt I didn’t think possible and I like the felt of his hats much more than any of the other customs I have.

I give the FEPSA 50X beaver the lead as far as hand goes; it’s very soft felt. The FEPSA felt has more spring back than Gannon’s Winchester felt. My 50X wasn’t quite as moldable as Hornskov’s videos, but it was close. The 50X is thicker than Gannon’s and not quite as dense. I really don’t see one as superior to the other…they’re just different. I do like the 50X FEPSA more than the 100X. I can’t speak to longevity as I haven’t worn either enough to make any determination. I don’t think either are floppy.

I wish I had more experience than just the one 50X hat. I’ve been thinking about getting in Hufvud’s queue for a 50X, but I already have too many irons in the fire. Let us know what you decide and give us your evaluation. There aren’t any sacred cows in hats so don’t worry about ruffling feathers.

Brent
 
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I do have hats made from both felts. Up to now, Gannon is the only custom hatter who has made me a Winchester beaver fedora that really compares well to vintage felt. Gannon has done things with that felt I didn’t think possible and I like the felt of his hats much more than any of the other customs I have.

I give the FEPSA 50X beaver the lead as far as hand goes; it’s very soft felt. The FEPSA felt has more spring back than Gannon’s Winchester felt. My 50X wasn’t quite as moldable as Hornskov’s videos, but it was close. The 50X is thicker than Gannon’s and not quite as dense. I really don’t see one as superior to the other…they’re just different. I do like the 50X FEPSA more than the 100X. I can’t speak to longevity as I haven’t worn either enough to make any determination. I don’t think either are floppy.

I wish I had more experience than just the one 50X hat. I’ve been thinking about getting in Hufvud’s queue for a 50X, but I already have too many irons in the fire. Let us know what you decide and give us your evaluation. There aren’t any sacred cows in hats so don’t worry about ruffling feathers.

Brent
I watched the Hornskov video that was posted today. Interestingly he doesn't show himself doing any pouncing at all on the felt. He shows all of the steps in very abbreviated snippets BUT NO pouncing to be seen.
 
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I watched the Hornskov video that was posted today. Interestingly he doesn't show himself doing any pouncing at all on the felt. He shows all of the steps in very abbreviated snippets BUT NO pouncing to be seen.


I wonder why that is? I really do like the felt, but it could definitely be a bit thinner even if it’s soft as pounced by FEPSA.
 
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I wonder why that is? I really do like the felt, but it could definitely be a bit thinner even if it’s soft as pounced by FEPSA.
The Ukraine felts are advertised as pre finished - one side, but I would not consider sending a hat out without pouncing it. I still have yet to make up the 100% Fepsa that I have had for almost a year now. I am pretty sure I will give it some finishing at least.
 

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While the hat etiquette rules morphed over time and do vary with culture… I wonder that we now in a not so hat wearing culture focus on the when to remove aspect. But suspect in real time… when hats were essentially required in certain settings.. a man was probably itching for the moment he was at home or in his private office and COULD remove it and relax. Much like loosening your tie.
I'm convinced this is one of the reasons we see some men in old photos and movies wearing hats that are misshapen, not particularly well-cared for, and perhaps a little beyond their prime. Those men didn't want to wear those hats but society all but demanded they do so, so they had maybe one or two hats that had seen better days that they wore just to shut everyone else up. :D
 

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This may be a minefield question, but I figured Im better asking here than making asking as a separate thread:

How does the Winchester beaver felt compare to the FEPSA 50x beaver/hare felt?


My only experience is from my Gannon, (granite winchester, finely thin pouncing, reshapable) which is as fine a hat I've encountered.
Im asking because I'd received a sample swatch from Hornskov, and the 50x felt in stone almost felt softer than the winchester, and I wondered what people's experience with both felts may be (how either holds up over time, shapable quality, floppiness, durability...)

*when I searched the forum about Fepsa, it pinged back a thread with some spite and vitriol, so I didnt want to ruffle feathers.
@daizawaguy may be able to help with this, too.
 

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Maybe that's what I needed to hear! Perhaps someone should sticky something to this effect in the guides section, it may help some other people looking to get into a better hat than you'd find in a cheap souvenir shop.

I'm touring with the Squirrel Nut Zippers. Still have one of the original frontmen, Jimbo Mathus, leading the charge, and the original drummer does tour management backend stuff, but it's otherwise an all new band since 2016. We've put out 2 new albums that I think are pretty good and the live show is rockin. We still play the hits but also bring in the newer material and I feel like it has been well received by old and new fans alike. It's a fun show and I recommend coming out if we pass your way.

Thanks again for your insight, am happy to join y'all here.
Glad to have you in the Lounge. I enjoy the SNZ; now I have to spend some time listening again!

One of the advantages of FL membership is that you get to see and hear different perspectives. I agree with some of the other opinions expressed here that modern production hats don’t come close to measuring up to the quality of vintage hats. I have not ventured into the custom arena, however. I guess I may be considered one of the “low-end hat connoisseurs.” (I had to look that up, so let’s just say “hat snob.”). I buy most of my hats on eBay or FB marketplace or in thrift/antique shops, and I have a pretty low price limit set for myself. I have managed to find some pretty amazing hats within those boundaries, and for me, they have been sufficient. I started wearing department store wool hats several years ago, and they served their purpose well. I own a modern Stetson that was my only “good” hat not too long ago, but now gets little wear since I discovered vintage. It just doesn’t stand up compared to the quality of a 40 year old Stetson, and I don’t enjoy wearing it as much. That is something I didn’t understand until I handled a few of the old ones.

My best advice would be to get what you like within your budgetary constraints, keep what works for you, and sell what doesn’t. There is always a market for your castoffs, no matter the quality level.
 

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Is it ok to wear hats in stores such as walmart or the supermarket? I know you should not wear a hat in places such as church, another person's home, or in a hospital and more. I want to have proper hat etiquette. I know today's world is very informal, but I want to do the proper thing.
One thing that hasn't been mentioned yet is that the Hat Etiquette Rules were different for women and men because women's hats often required hat pins to keep them on the ladies' heads, and could be a complicated affair to remove and replace. Regardless, women were required to remove their hats under two circumstances: 1) If the hat is blocking someone's view at church services, live performances indoors, in a movie theater, and so on; 2) When she is indoors at work. Yep, that's it.

Men, however...hoo boy. Men are supposed to remove their hats:

∙ When they're in someone's home
∙ When they're seated indoors at a table to eat a meal, especially in restaurants and coffee shops
∙ While being introduced to someone new (unless this occurs outdoors in freezing weather)
∙ While they're indoors at work, especially in an office unless it's required for the job
∙ During religious services, unless a hat or head covering is required
∙ At indoor performances and movies
∙ In public buildings such as a school, library, courthouse, town hall, hospital, etc.
∙ When the National Anthem is being played
∙ When the United States flag is showcased in a parade
∙ When a funeral procession is passing; the hat should be removed and held over the heart

There are probably others, but these were on the first list I found online. Mind you, these rules are for "dress" hats like Fedoras and Homburgs. For ball caps, both men and women are supposed to adhere to the "men's" rules. :rolleyes:

I must have been taught these as a boy, because they are second nature to me now. My grandmother would knock a hat right off my head if I walked into the house wearing it. I do agree that WalMart is definitely OK though. I also feel fine wearing my hat in the hallway or lobby of a school or office building, but I take it off when I enter an office or classroom. I never wear a hat at the table, but at the bar or counter is OK.
 

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