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[AbbaDatDeHat]

Anyone know the typical width of a western 6-ply ribbon?

11/16” for my black 40’s NO.1 Bob.
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[J Williams]

I would love to have a hat like that!

This is a start. I see stuff back to 1901 so far.

1903:
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1904:
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1905: 3 Battery St.
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1907:
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1908:
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1914:
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1922:
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Battery & Pine:
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Thanks for the work Bob, much appreciated. From what I found all the info ends around the 1922 date. I suppose it could have been a dry goods store with an in-house hat maker, neat stuff. I will find out tomorrow if my offer was accepted.


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[J Williams]

I don’t know a thing about the brand, but that’s a very cool hat.


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I know right? If it was a size bigger I would most likely be posting once it arrived. Just trying to decide if it’s worth the ask for a hat I may not be able to wear.


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[BobHufford]

Thanks for the work Bob, much appreciated. From what I found all the info ends around the 1922 date. I suppose it could have been a dry goods store with an in-house hat maker, neat stuff.

From what I understand they were a importer and mail-order seller of hats and caps. The 1922 listings I find list them as a manufacturer of caps. I didn't see any reference to other dry goods.

1906:

1922 (Directories of Manufacturers):

 

[Hagwood]

Wondering if anyone has come across information on ‘The Helbing Hat Co’ from San Francisco. Most of the information I found led to the owner, but it seemed it was more of a dry goods store than a hat maker. Trying to decide if I should acquire this seemingly early 1900’s western.

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Very cool hat. The crown looks a lot like John Wayne’s in ‘The Man Who Shot Liberty Valance’. Just watched it the other night so it looked familiar. Couldn’t find a side view where the similarities are more obvious .

 

[MajorMason]

Can anyone help with dating the hat below? It’s a Frank H Lee, purchased in LaCrosse Wi by my grandfather. The lived in the Lacrosse area in the 20’s and 30’s. No idea if he bought it then.

 

[Bamaboots]

https://www.thefedoralounge.com/threads/the-history-of-lee-hats.4483/

 

[MajorMason]

https://www.thefedoralounge.com/threads/the-history-of-lee-hats.4483/

I did see that posting yesterday but I haven't found any liner design that is similar to this one. Not sure if that makes it older or newer? Just curious on when he may have purchased it.

 

[carouselvic]

The proportions scream 30’s, but that can be deceiving.

 

[hbenthow]

I have a Borsalino that I bought at a local flea market. The lining on the inside has black mold/mildew in it. What's the best way to get it out?

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[belfastboy]

I have a Borsalino that I bought at a local flea market. The lining on the inside has black mold/mildew in it. What's the best way to get it out?

Here's a picture:

Very gently look behind the leather sweat to see if the liner is sewn or glued in. If glued in then very gently remove it and wash the liner in a gentle soap. I use my wife's lingerie soap. This is a tough stain to remove so it may not remove the staining but at least you will have the peace of mind that it is clean. The caution in regard to the leather sweat is that if it is very old the thread can be rotted and any movement can cause the stitching to pop loose. Don't ask me how I know this!!!!
If the liner is sewn in then removal requires you cut the thread and replacing is harder. Any liner can be put back in place with double sided tape but if you do that with a formerly sewn in liner it does devalue the hat.

 

[MajorMason]

I also have 2 Portis hats and one that I can’t quite read. Need to do some cleaning on it to read the liner.

 

[hbenthow]

Very gently look behind the leather sweat to see if the liner is sewn or glued in. If glued in then very gently remove it and wash the liner in a gentle soap. I use my wife's lingerie soap. This is a tough stain to remove so it may not remove the staining but at least you will have the peace of mind that it is clean.

I don't have any fabric-specific soaps other than laundry detergent. Would hand soap (such as Dial or Irish Spring) work?

Should the entire liner be submerged in water?

And would rubbing diluted vinegar on the spots with a cotton ball be a bad idea?

 

[belfastboy]

I don't have any fabric-specific soaps other than laundry detergent. Would hand soap (such as Dial or Irish Spring) work?

Should the entire liner be submerged in water?

And would rubbing diluted vinegar on the spots with a cotton ball be a bad idea?

The risk of using too harsh a detergent is that you may lose some sharpness in the logo. It may fade. A pure soap like an Ivory or a Dr Bronners would be likely okay. You could try some vinegar one the stains but they are so pervasive that it would require a lot of work and you risk getting the vinegar into the felt. Every time you wore the hat the smell would make you hungry thinking of French fries!!
I have not had great success in getting stains like that removed from a liner. They can be lessened but it is hard to eliminate them. If you can't just accept it as part of the allure and patina of an old hat.

 

[hbenthow]

The risk of using too harsh a detergent is that you may lose some sharpness in the logo. It may fade. A pure soap like an Ivory or a Dr Bronners would be likely okay.

What is the best way to go about washing the liner? Would washing it under running water be the correct method?

 

[Frunobulax]

What is the best way to go about washing the liner? Would washing it under running water be the correct method?

Just put it in a small dish or bowl and swish it around. Rinse in cool clear water. Personally, I recommend Woolite.

 

[belfastboy]

What is the best way to go about washing the liner? Would washing it under running water be the correct method?

In your case I would soak it and avoid scrunching it. If you have a soft brush I would try that on the stained areas. but avoid brushing directly on the logo area. Use tepid water definitely not full on hot.

 

[hbenthow]

In your case I would soak it and avoid scrunching it. If you have a soft brush I would try that on the stained areas. but avoid brushing directly on the logo area. Use tepid water definitely not full on hot.

Thank you.

Just put it in a small dish or bowl and swish it around. Rinse in cool clear water. Personally, I recommend Woolite.

Thank you. I looked up Woolite, and saw that there is an extra delicate version available. That looks ideal.

 

[belfastboy]

Thank you.



Thank you. I looked up Woolite, and saw that there is an extra delicate version available. That looks ideal.

Swish....that is the word I was trying to remember! Swish not scrunch!

 

[pairrothead01]

I have been binge watching the TNT show "The Alienist" and have seen some hats that I would appreciate knowing what style they are.
Therefore I ask 2 questions
1. What is the general style differences of a Homberg and Lord's hat?

2. What is the general style differences of a Derby and Bowler?


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