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[Hurricane Jack]

Not familiar with a Bogie beaver but you're asking about their quality control. Tolerances on what is acceptable are very liberal to say the least. Think 2-1/2" plus or minus 1/8". It would be best to buy retail where you can measure before you buy.

 

[Robieman]

Hello, this question concerns the Stetson Bogie Beaver. The brim is advertised as 2 1/2 inches. Has anyone actually measured it and, if so, can you tell me: Is it actually a full 2 1/2 inches, or is it a tad short, closer to 2 3/8, like the Chatham? Thank you.

I have one. I will try and think to check it tonight.

 

[Robieman]

Hello, this question concerns the Stetson Bogie Beaver. The brim is advertised as 2 1/2 inches. Has anyone actually measured it and, if so, can you tell me: Is it actually a full 2 1/2 inches, or is it a tad short, closer to 2 3/8, like the Chatham? Thank you.

Measured mine last night. Exactly 2 1/2. Hope that helps.

 

[DanO]

This company is located in Washington State (my home state). Has anyone had dealings with them and what was your experience? My last two dealings have been less than favorable, I am wondering if it is me or them.

 

[Bill Hughes]

This company is located in Washington State (my home state). Has anyone had dealings with them and what was your experience? My last two dealings have been less than favorable, I am wondering if it is me or them.

What company are you referring to?

 

[alanfgag]

What type of crease is this? It's so nice and I've never seen anything like it, it's like a teardrop and a cattleman had a baby

And I want that hat, exactly as is, it's beautiful, the color, the shape, everything
from this video interview:

You've hit it about in a nutshell. If you move the side pinches of a cattleman crease toward the front of the hat it will do something similar. The hat also has a mule kick indentation in the front of the crown. The challenge is to get a telescope depression happening on the top of a hat like this. The crown height does not allow the depth to do what I've done in the 5X CB hat shown below.

This video of Roy Rogers shaping a hat in his bathroom has been posted here before but you might have a hard time finding it, so here it is again:

 

[DanO]

Bill, the company is Ultrafino Panama Hat, my orig post was moved and lost that

What company are you referring to?

 

[Woodtroll]

Bill, the company is Ultrafino Panama Hat, my orig post was moved and lost that

Grrrr. It's not you, it's them. I bought a straw hat off their website a month or so ago that was completely mis-represented. When it arrived, it was a cheap Black Creek shantung "straw" hat that could be purchased several other places for about half what I paid them. They would accept returns, but I had to pay shipping both ways; the fact that they basically lied about the hat did not sway their "customer service" policy. Rather than lose that much money on the deal, I decided to keep the hat to wear as a beater work hat, for as long as it lasts.

I know it's frowned upon to relate bad experiences with companies here on the Lounge, but since you asked...

 

[scottyrocks]

Here's another question. Has anyone found a perfect container for naptha baths?
A guy on YouTube used a 5 gallon bucket, but that's too small for a lot of brims.

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You can get rectangular plastic pans such as this, in various sizes, at just about anything like a Bed, Bath & Beyond.

 

[Rockwater]

This tin container is near perfect at a diameter of 12” and a depth of 7”.
Problem is, I have no clue where it came from.

 

[JessieJames]

You've hit it about in a nutshell. If you move the side pinches of a cattleman crease toward the front of the hat it will do something similar. The hat also has a mule kick indentation in the front of the crown. The challenge is to get a telescope depression happening on the top of a hat like this. The crown height does not allow the depth to do what I've done in the 5X CB hat shown below.

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This video of Roy Rogers shaping a hat in his bathroom has been posted here before but you might have a hard time finding it, so here it is again:

so you'd need a really high crown height to do it?
Your hat looks more "indented" than the example I posted so perhaps a regular height crown would suffice

Also, I just realized the crease photo that one poster posted showed a Dakota, which is the same as the Canadian crease. I guess each country had their own! I can't see a difference. Anyone have insight on the Dakota VS the Canadian? I feel like there is a possible interesting story there.

 

[Bamaboots]

Anyone have insight on the Dakota VS the Canadian?

JJ, they do look similar but it's difficult to tell w/o seeing the top of the Dakota. The Canadian looks to be a 'brick" crease with side dents and perhaps the Dakota's dents go a little deeper down the side of the crown.

 

[Hurricane Jack]

the Dakota's dents go a little deeper down the side of the crown.

The dents of the Dakota curtain down until they just disappear or are open across the bottom. It's more of an impression of a 3-sided dent.

 

[JessieJames]

So I searched online but the information I have found is muddied. This may be a basic question but what actually IS a fedora? Is it a global term for a dress hat? Is it the pinch and hat crease? Is it thinner felt?

Are the 2 big categories fedora and western? And what actually distinguishes them apart?

 

[JessieJames]

View attachment 170801 This tin container is near perfect at a diameter of 12” and a depth of 7”.
Problem is, I have no clue where it came from.

oh that's such a great way to transport your hat!
Reminds me of a larger cookie tin

 

[jlee562]

So I searched online but the information I have found is muddied. This may be a basic question but what actually IS a fedora? Is it a global term for a dress hat? Is it the pinch and hat crease? Is it thinner felt?

Are the 2 big categories fedora and western? And what actually distinguishes them apart?

It's not just you, it's an ill defined popular term. Older trade publications delineated between stiff and soft felt hats. The former being more Bowlers and Derbies, the latter covering what we know as fedoras.

As far as modern hats go, the difference between dress and western weight is the thickness of the felt. Western weights are heavier and thicker.

Then there are things like the Open Road, which is considered a dress western.

 

[JessieJames]

It's not just you, it's an ill defined popular term. Older trade publications delineated between stiff and soft felt hats. The former being more Bowlers and Derbies, the latter covering what we know as fedoras.

As far as modern hats go, the difference between dress and western weight is the thickness of the felt. Western weights are heavier and thicker.

Then there are things like the Open Road, which is considered a dress western.

Well that kind of confused me more lol

So then, I guess we can say there are "3 large categories"?

1. Dress hats (thinner felt)
2. Open Road (medium thickness)
3. Western (thickest)

But Open Road and Western are kind of styles as well, hmmmm anyone else have any insight to provide? Still sort of confused

 

[Rockwater]

oh that's such a great way to transport your hat!
Reminds me of a larger cookie tin

You’re probably right on both points.
I use it for a naptha bath.

 

[jlee562]

Well that kind of confused me more lol

So then, I guess we can say there are "3 large categories"?

1. Dress hats (thinner felt)
2. Open Road (medium thickness)
3. Western (thickest)

But Open Road and Western are kind of styles as well, hmmmm anyone else have any insight to provide? Still sort of confused

Well, Dress westerns should be about the same thickness as other soft felt dress hats, notwithstanding models like the Playboy which were made with lightweight felt. It's more that the style and proportions are a cross between dress and western styles.

to make it even more confusing, vintage westerns are not quite as thick as their modern counterparts. Actually, this is true for modern felts in general, they're thicker and less dense today.

In my mind, there are stiff felts, soft felts, and westerns. YMMV.

 

[JessieJames]

Well, Dress westerns should be about the same thickness as other soft felt dress hats, notwithstanding models like the Playboy which were made with lightweight felt. It's more that the style and proportions are a cross between dress and western styles.

to make it even more confusing, vintage westerns are not quite as thick as their modern counterparts. Actually, this is true for modern felts in general, they're thicker and less dense today.

In my mind, there are stiff felts, soft felts, and westerns. YMMV.

so dress and western are both general descriptives for style and felt thickness that kind of go hand in hand?