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I agree 100%. If you know you're going to experience weather conditions that might somehow damage a vintage or otherwise hard to replace hat, wear a different hat or bring an umbrella. But rain is ultimately only water and as long as you treat your hat properly if/when it gets wet, i.e. set it aside and let it dry at room temperature, even a half-way decent fur felt hat should be just fine. Regarding wool felt hats, I've only owned really cheap ones that all shrunk in a relatively short period of time no matter what I did, so based on my experience I wouldn't recommend them. That being said...

I also agree with this 100%. I currently have six Akubra hats, have worn all of them in light to medium rain storms at one time or another, and they all survived just fine; if anything, the rain made them a little softer. But I have worn two of them in drenching downpours that soaked the felt thoroughly--Akubra has a reputation for durability, so I thought I'd put it to the test--and they also survived with no apparent ill effects. I have zero experience with modern production hats made by other manufacturers like Stetson so I don't know whether or not they would survive such a test (I suspect they would), but my Akubras have proven themselves to me. Here on The Lounge Akubra has it's devotees and detractors, but I think everyone who wears hats regularly should own at least one if for no other reason than to wear it as a dedicated "rain hat". And if it somehow gets damaged, unlike most vintage hats it can easily be replaced.
This has been my experience with my Akubra Campdraft.....survives soakings with zero ill effects. It is the reason I purchased it as for the small $$$ it cost me thought it worth the risk. My new Stetson Stetsonian ended up with a wonky brim after just a slight dampening from a rain so I no longer wear that one in the rain.
 
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Long time no post, but I need some advice on the old size-up or size-down question. I am looking to get a campaign hat (think Smokey Bear, not Rough Riders). Usually I wear a 7-1/4, but measurement-wise I'm between a 7-1/8 and 7-1/4. And I've recently figured out that I'm an extra long oval.

Stratton's felt campaign hats come in XLO and I recently went to a local uniform shop to try the Stratton size rings. The size rings confirmed the head shape, but left me utterly perplexed regarding the sizing. The first one I tried was the 7-1/4 XLO and it was like putting a hoola hoop over my head. Then I tried the 7-1/8 XLO and it fell down and rested on my ears. So I tried the 7 XLO and it sat ever so slightly higher on my head, but very close to where I'd want to wear the hat.

The shop didn't have any hats in the style I wanted in XLO to try on, but did have one in another style in a 7 XLO. And of course it was too small and sat on my head like a kids' hat. My theory is that the size rings actually match the blocks and don't account for the sweatband, which makes no sense at all from the perspective of trying to figure out what size you wear. Go figure.

Anyway, my head measurement is 22-3/8". Stratton says a 7-1/8 is 22-1/4" (or 1/8" smaller than my head) and a 7-1/4 is 22-5/8" (or 1/4" larger than my head). Normally I'd go up and put padding behind the sweatband and so far every hat I own has eventually shrunk to fit. But I have no idea what to expect from a stiff hat like a campaign hat.

So, do I go with the 7-1/8 and try to stretch it out the extra 1/8" or go with the 7-1/4 and pad it in the hope it might shrink a little?

All comments welcome and appreciated. Extra points for comments coupled with experience. :)

I have three Stratton campaign hats. The sizing is odd. Also, with their being so stiff I really recommend finding somewhere that will allow you to try on the exact style and size you're looking at. I'm a 7 5/8 long oval but my last 7 3/4 Stratton fit well. Many years ago the Government bought me a 7 3/8 long oval that looks cartoonish on my head...they used the size discs for that fitting. There is no replacement for being able to try them on before you buy.
 
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Where should I be looking for the most bang for my buck in Panama hats? I have two on order with NW hats, but I'd get another if I could find a good value that I knew would fit my 7 5/8 long oval head. I don't want a cheap hat, but please dont say Optimo or similar for $$$$$$. I'm alright with NW's price of $185 but for $1000 I'll expect a two week trip to Ecuador to pick it up in person. Is there something like Panama Bob before his business went all pear shaped? Hey, it will be summer before you know it (and not this chilly California 73 degrees...burrrr).
 

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I own three Stratton campaign hats; one straw and two felt. They all three fit differently


When light rain is predicted I reach for an Akubra. My other hats may also be able shrug off the weather, but my Akubras have proven themselves. If I get caught in a light shower wearing a nicer hats I worry a bit, but I've yet to damage one of them this way. If it's really coming down and I need to be "dressy" than an umbrella gets the nod. If I'm not working, I'll sometimes reach for a Gore-Tex hat; Outdoor Research (OR) makes some wonderful hats for this niche. This is where style yields to practicality.

I would never intentionally subject a felt hat to a soaking; although, I have confidence that an Akubra could come out the other side in fine shape.
Ditto with the Akubra. It has proven itself in the rain without losing its shape when left to dry on its own. I also have a brown Stetson Benchmark 100% beaver that looks too pretty to chance spotting in the rain. I do have a crushable wool Stetson Bozeman that keeps its shape in the rain. I think it is the way the crushable hats are made, with no stiffeners. I will also probably wear my new Open Road in the rain in order to shrink it a little and soften it as it is pretty stiff.
 
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Where should I be looking for the most bang for my buck in Panama hats? I have two on order with NW hats, but I'd get another if I could find a good value that I knew would fit my 7 5/8 long oval head. I don't want a cheap hat, but please dont say Optimo or similar for $$$$$$. I'm alright with NW's price of $185 but for $1000 I'll expect a two week trip to Ecuador to pick it up in person. Is there something like Panama Bob before his business went all pear shaped? Hey, it will be summer before you know it (and not this chilly California 73 degrees...burrrr).

Panama Hats Direct. Hands down winner for best value on the intertubes. One caveat: if you are allergic to dichromates, which isn't all that unusual, you will need to have the sweatband swapped for one without. I've had to have Art Fawcett change sweats in all of my PHD purchases, because I AM a very sensitive man.
 

Barry-MI

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Panama Hats Direct. Hands down winner for best value on the intertubes. One caveat: if you are allergic to dichromates, which isn't all that unusual, you will need to have the sweatband swapped for one without. I've had to have Art Fawcett change sweats in all of my PHD purchases, because I AM a very sensitive man.
I agree with Panama Hats Direct for the weaving, but you will probably have to have it reblocked to get a crisper look.
 

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This is a picture from PHD and it looks just like it. You can see the weave is real nice, they call it Superfino. I had them put on a brown leather band instead of the black material.
 
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Where should I be looking for the most bang for my buck in Panama hats? I have two on order with NW hats, but I'd get another if I could find a good value that I knew would fit my 7 5/8 long oval head. I don't want a cheap hat, but please dont say Optimo or similar for $$$$$$. I'm alright with NW's price of $185 but for $1000 I'll expect a two week trip to Ecuador to pick it up in person. Is there something like Panama Bob before his business went all pear shaped? Hey, it will be summer before you know it (and not this chilly California 73 degrees...burrrr).
I have been tempted by the Brent Black website. In terms of Panama hats he is THE guy. He sells online only but lives in Medford just down the road from Art at VS. You want Panama hat porn check out his website.
 

Barry-MI

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I have been tempted by the Brent Black website. In terms of Panama hats he is THE guy. He sells online only but lives in Medford just down the road from Art at VS. You want Panama hat porn check out his website.
I have, and like his stuff, just very expensive. I have been looking at an item in my size on Ebay from halfpricepauley for a Brent Black Hartford York straw hat for around $500 for the past few months, but it doesn't list the thread count and the picture shows a different size than the description. It says original price is $1350, but ???
 
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I have been tempted by the Brent Black website. In terms of Panama hats he is THE guy. He sells online only but lives in Medford just down the road from Art at VS. You want Panama hat porn check out his website.

I'm familiar with Brent's work. However, his hats violate my $$$$$$ parameters. It's no trick to find great hats if cost is not a consideration. I'm looking for decent hats, not pieces of art. I also have a poor track record with Panama hats and I either lose or damage them with greater frequency than I do my felt hats. I'm much more comfortable in the $250 or less range.
 

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