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[Edward]

Thanks guys for your reply. According to the seller it’s leather peeling off the surface.

If it's simply a bit like that that's been damaged, well, that's fairly normal for a shearling in the fullness of time. My Irvin has a spot of removed finish where the cat brought up a furball on it that dried in and I didn't wet it enough before I tried to remove it...

If it's a wider symptom of the surface generally lifting and peeling, I might be more wary about buying - or at least factor that into the price.

 

[Edward]

No branding on this one. Anybody know the maker?

More pics in the link.

Skinnjakke - vintige. Ikke brukt. Kjøpt London på 80 tallet. Finnes ikke maken. | FINN torget

Helt ubrukt skinnjakke kjøpt London på slutten av 80 tallet. Farge mørk brun, størrelse L. Kun hengt i mørkt skap. Kraftig jakke med mykt skinn. Ment fra min side den gang å bli brukt som mc jakke. Kan brukes av dame. Endret pris 17.12. Endres ikke ytterligere.

www.finn.no

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Interesting mystery. My best guess is it's not a cheapo given the detailing - cheap versions of this style I've seen, handled and owned don't as a rule have a lot of details like the side-lacing, studs on the belt loops and such. While it's beyond my experience, I suspect what will ultimately ID it if someone does redcognise the model is this shot:

That belt loop on the back, being on the back rather than underneath (for hooking onto trouser belts), and with what seems to be a sewn-in half-belt on the front (so it's clearly not for the jacket's own belt) is unique in my experience.

The listing title (according to Google translate) is:

"Leather jacket - vintage. Not used. Bought London in the 80s. Does not exist like this."


I'm guessing "Does not exist like this" should properly translate as "unique" or something along those lines?

The description is intriguing:

"Completely unused leather jacket bought London in the late 80s. Color dark brown, size L. Only hung in dark cabinets. Heavy-duty jacket with soft leather. Meant on my part at the time to be used as a motorcycle jacket. Can be used by lady."

Late 80s was when the British mc leathers industry was entering the endgame so it could have been UK-made or imported, most likely from Pakistan. Could have been any number of brands that were around of either origin at the time, though chances are if it was bought as a dedicated MC jacket and sold in a motorcycle shop as such rather than as fashionwear, it is likely a fairly decent jacket.

Be interesting to see if anyone recognises that lower back, though I suspect it's probably fairly obscure as there were a lot of brands making these American-style jackets back then.

 

[ton312]

The Five Star thread is locked, so putting the question here: For those of you who have ordered from them recently, how long is it taking after you place the order for them to send the detail pictures? I heard from them and placed an order for a Seal HH HB a week ago and haven't heard anything since that day. Stock size and pattern with a few minor adjustments. I heard a few people say that their turnaround time was only about 4 days. Is that still the case?

It’s def taking longer. My HH HB is going on two weeks. Could be because they needed all hands on deck to sew together what looks like a skinned sea cow in another thread.

 

[Griemersma]

It’s def taking longer. My HH HB is going on two weeks. Could be because they needed all hands on deck to sew together what looks like a skinned sea cow in another thread.

Thank you @ton312 and @Canuck Panda. I sent them a message today. I’ll be patient….

 

[Canuck Panda]

Wrangler Experts:

What is the difference between a 126MJ and a 126PW?

The 126PW has an earlier label, rectangle black. The 126MJ has a later label, off by 5 years maybe, with a trapezoid shape label. Both looks like they have the same body shape, drop six from chest to hem. I can't tell the difference from the photos so I thought I ask here.

Thanks!

 

[Monitor]

Interesting mystery. My best guess is it's not a cheapo given the detailing - cheap versions of this style I've seen, handled and owned don't as a rule have a lot of details like the side-lacing, studs on the belt loops and such. While it's beyond my experience, I suspect what will ultimately ID it if someone does redcognise the model is this shot:

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That belt loop on the back, being on the back rather than underneath (for hooking onto trouser belts), and with what seems to be a sewn-in half-belt on the front (so it's clearly not for the jacket's own belt) is unique in my experience.

The listing title (according to Google translate) is:

"Leather jacket - vintage. Not used. Bought London in the 80s. Does not exist like this."


I'm guessing "Does not exist like this" should properly translate as "unique" or something along those lines?

The description is intriguing:

"Completely unused leather jacket bought London in the late 80s. Color dark brown, size L. Only hung in dark cabinets. Heavy-duty jacket with soft leather. Meant on my part at the time to be used as a motorcycle jacket. Can be used by lady."

Late 80s was when the British mc leathers industry was entering the endgame so it could have been UK-made or imported, most likely from Pakistan. Could have been any number of brands that were around of either origin at the time, though chances are if it was bought as a dedicated MC jacket and sold in a motorcycle shop as such rather than as fashionwear, it is likely a fairly decent jacket.

Be interesting to see if anyone recognises that lower back, though I suspect it's probably fairly obscure as there were a lot of brands making these American-style jackets back then.

There is cheap and then there is cheaper.

Spending even little time browsing Vinted will very quickly make you aware of a surreal amount of Perfecto copies that seem to be pouring from France. Curiously so, the most copied version is the Schott #125, which, basically, is the jacket above. They're mostly all made in Pakistan or India, some in France, and most are very well done - Often more intricately than the original - so it's to no surprise that this jacket looks good.

However, the combination of a belt alongside side-laces, and the back belt loop, screams dilettantism to me and this particular jacket is something I personally would avoid.

Every Perfecto nowadays is just for the show, there's no debate there; It's a fashion piece. But there's fashion and then there's fashion.

 

[Edward]

There is cheap and then there is cheaper.

Spending even little time browsing Vinted will very quickly make you aware of a surreal amount of Perfecto copies that seem to be pouring from France. Curiously so, the most copied version is the Schott #125, which, basically, is the jacket above. They're mostly all made in Pakistan or India, some in France, and most are very well done - Often more intricately than the original - so it's to no surprise that this jacket looks good.

However, the combination of a belt alongside side-laces, and the back belt loop, screams dilettantism to me and this particular jacket is something I personally would avoid.

Every Perfecto nowadays is just for the show, there's no debate there; It's a fashion piece. But there's fashion and then there's fashion.

The thing that intrigues me most is that extraneous rear loop, though lace-up sides (while acknowledging their practicality) have always been a deal-killer for me personally.

 

[handymike]

Wrangler Experts:

What is the difference between a 126MJ and a 126PW?

The 126PW has an earlier label, rectangle black. The 126MJ has a later label, off by 5 years maybe, with a trapezoid shape label. Both looks like they have the same body shape, drop six from chest to hem. I can't tell the difference from the photos so I thought I ask here.

Thanks!

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These are so cool with the larger 70s collars!

I found this link with some history:

Midwest Vintage 美華氏

www.midwest-vintage.com

MJ- mens jacket...
PW- could be “pre-washed” or similar.
If you are doing a Five Star pattern, I might just follow suit, @torfjord’s is so cool- but I love the larger collar.

 

[TMP]

Aero afficionados:

Does anyone have an opinion about the accuracy of Aero's jacket measurements on their web site. The reason I ask is that looking at the same size jacket of several different models on the Thurston web site, they seem to be consistently different. In your experience are Aero conservative or generous in their measurements? Did the stock jacket you recieved match their listed measurements? I really wish they would list the hem measurement too. Thanks in advance.

 

[Monitor]

Aero afficionados:

Does anyone have an opinion about the accuracy of Aero's jacket measurements on their web site. The reason I ask is that looking at the same size jacket of several different models on the Thurston web site, they seem to be consistently different. In your experience are Aero conservative or generous in their measurements? Did the stock jacket you recieved match their listed measurements? I really wish they would list the hem measurement too. Thanks in advance.

Conservative. The jackets received will often be more generous than what the provided measurements might indicate and the overall accuracy of the size numbers is very inconsistent.

 

[Marc mndt]

Did the stock jacket you recieved match their listed measurements?

This is just n=1 of course. I hope this one was measured on a Monday morning and that they generally do a better job.

 

[Canuck Panda]

These are so cool with the larger 70s collars!

I found this link with some history:

Midwest Vintage 美華氏

www.midwest-vintage.com

MJ- mens jacket...
PW- could be “pre-washed” or similar.
If you are doing a Five Star pattern, I might just follow suit, @torfjord’s is so cool- but I love the larger collar.

Thanks HandyMike. Yes I got a pair of denim truckers coming, both 70s as it seems, a Lee and a Wrangler. It is my intend to use them as templates for horsehide versions. I believe it would be much better to copy the original exactly instead of me trying to explain with photos and things gets lost in translation.

Aero afficionados:

Does anyone have an opinion about the accuracy of Aero's jacket measurements on their web site. The reason I ask is that looking at the same size jacket of several different models on the Thurston web site, they seem to be consistently different. In your experience are Aero conservative or generous in their measurements? Did the stock jacket you recieved match their listed measurements? I really wish they would list the hem measurement too. Thanks in advance.

On my Aero journey I've also been confused by the TB numbers against what I got from Aero's sale page.
FWIW, the most recent Aero's I got from their sale page measured out the same as stated. It doesn't hurt to ask for hem measurements and maybe a few additional photos before pulling the trigger. I request these things directly from the factory email.
Aero also has a FB group page and Denny is actively responding on it. So that could also help.

 

[Edward]

Aero afficionados:

Does anyone have an opinion about the accuracy of Aero's jacket measurements on their web site. The reason I ask is that looking at the same size jacket of several different models on the Thurston web site, they seem to be consistently different. In your experience are Aero conservative or generous in their measurements? Did the stock jacket you recieved match their listed measurements? I really wish they would list the hem measurement too. Thanks in advance.

I've never handled one that went beyond the stated half-inch tolerances. Within that, a little more variation for heavier leathers. The used market can throw up distortions, as there are a lot of jackets out there in particular from the pre-2012 era which may have a nominal size label, but were very much cut to a custom set of measurements. As memory serves, at one point Thurston specc-ed all their jackets one inch longer than the Aero standard pattern for each model, which could throw up an appearance of inconsistency between the two.


I agree that hen measurements would be very helpful, particularly for those of us who tend to carry our weight around the middle. I vary between a 42 and a 46 depending upon pattern and era, but typically the hem measurement will often be the deciding factor between sizes for me. I've always found Aero very quick to come back on queries about that, but it would be nice if the new website does add that in as standard, especially on the slimmer patterns, and the bike jackets, some of which are very snug at the waist, despite being roomier on the shoulders (which is, of course, period-correct).

 

[Marc mndt]

Does anyone recognize the maker?

 

[tmitchell59]

Does anyone recognize the maker?

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I don't recognize the maker. Looks to be late 40s with that Talon zipper pull and the wool lining. I like how they used that chain on the main zip.

 

[Blackadder]

Wrangler Experts:

What is the difference between a 126MJ and a 126PW?

The 126PW has an earlier label, rectangle black. The 126MJ has a later label, off by 5 years maybe, with a trapezoid shape label. Both looks like they have the same body shape, drop six from chest to hem. I can't tell the difference from the photos so I thought I ask here.

Thanks!

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MJ= Men's jacket; MJZ= Men's jacket zipper; PW= Prewashed and I think MW= Men's Waistoverall. Label is relevant to the period.

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You can find 126PW with the "trapezoid" label. You can also find 126MJ with rectangular label.

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[jonesy86]

Now that is detail, thanks.

 

[Canuck Panda]

MJ= Men's jacket; MJZ= Men's jacket zipper; PW= Prewashed and I think MW= Men's Waistoverall. Label is relevant to the period.

http://redcloud.co.jp/detail/wrangler.htm

You can find 126PW with the "trapezoid" label. You can also find 126MJ with rectangular label.

Wrangler ラングラー 126PW デニムジャケット 40 M-L - ヴィンテージ古着 AXIS -デニムジャケット Gジャン

当店はビンテージ古着のデニムジャケット、Gジャン型ジャケット、ジャケットに合うトップスの品揃えに特化した通販専門店です。

axis-1.com

ラングラー Wrangler 米国製 USA製 ジージャン アメリカ製 デニムジャケット JEANS :uwrgjyan-200728a:ジーンズショップカネコ - 通販 - Yahoo!ショッピング

ラングラーWranglerの米国製ジージャン、実店舗の店頭展示品を1度洗濯しただけの未使用品、USA製デニムジャケット、アメリカ製ライダース、14オンスデニム綿100%、ブルー・洗濯済、洗いさらしです・ボタンホールやデニムに大きなダメージはありません、多少色むらがあります・サイズ40/肩幅46cm/裄丈86cm/袖丈62cm/身幅53cm/着丈57cm米国製 アメリカ製 USA製 MADE IN USA RIDERS ライダース

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Thank you!

 

[Bfd70]

Does anyone recognize the maker?

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take the jacket skip the hat.

 

[Blackadder]

I don't recognize the maker. Looks to be late 40s with that Talon zipper pull and the wool lining. I like how they used that chain on the main zip.

Brass slider on nickel teeth. Does not match the nickel Conmar. I think someone pretty handy with pliers.