Another question about hair--taming the mane.

[UmmBatul]

I think I might be brushing my hair out wrong? Perhaps I might just need some kind of product, though.

How do you get your hair tamed down after brushing it out? Do you use a certain type of product?

I have shoulder length hair and usually end up with Jean Harlow hair, when I'd really rather have a 40's or 50's style. Something like a Lauren Bacall look is what I'd like to have?

I also really love Dita von Teese's hair--the waves turning into curls, if you get my meaning.

Should I use a larger size roller? Or do I need a finishing cream/product?

 

[1*Cool*Kitten]

Taming the Mane '40's style

Ok Dolls!!

Here we go! I've been on the research trail agian! as a Hairstylist who's standing behine the chair of some pretty classy dames who are in their 80's now I've been asking questions as it seems their our only living resourses now!!These are the same ones who told me about the "rats" for the victory rolls!

I've tried this on my own hair and it acutualy works!
According to these lady's they said that they only washed their hair about ones a week as they had soaps made from lye which as we all know isn't good!they also said that they rinsed with 1/2 c vinegar to 8 oz water bent over the sink or tub and poured it at the base of the neck & let it run into their hair! this not only took out the stink /stench of the oil but it helped to keep the cuticle down!(frizz)
almost every single one of them used VO5 I went to Walgrens Drug Store here in CA (it's all over America) & I found the same tube my mom used to use! it's black & gold! there is one for white /grey hair too & I would suggest this one for you platnium blondes,white haired grey's,light blondes referred to as dishwater blondes. also you have to rember some "patrolium" based products will "turn" your blondes to fabulous weird colors!so be careful!(if you have a friend that can see the back of your head for you you might try a "patch test" with the original VO5 on a small 1/2" square under the ocipital bone area of the back of your head to see if the chemical changes occur!)
the other "oils" or as they referr to them as "Hairdressings" they used or reffer to is a oil I've seen called TRES FLORES it's in a lovely bottle with a green topper be very careful as it's very runny! a little of any of these goes a very long way!
there was a brill cream that my g'ma & a couple of other ladies used as it was economical to purchase for the husband & she would use it too!
One lady told me her family was so poor during the depression that she would "render down" the chicken fat & even used it "a time "er two!" ( I personally in todays times would not go this far but it's good to know anyway!)
also all of them said that the brushes we have now days is not even the same type they had back then!when i asked them they every one of them pulled out a boar bristle brush (very expensive at sally's beauty supply) I have over 75 different brushes for my job & they all pulled out the same brush! the wooden handled boar bristle brush NO PLASTIC in the middle of the bristles or anywhere on the brush it's self!
they brushed through their hair after they took out the rollers or the pin curls then COMBED the hair in place put on a hair net (yes, you can still buy them! EVERYWHERE) & most of them didn't have hairspray so they didn't spray!
PLUS they got a hair cut every 6 weeks to get the dead ends off (mostly they had 1 person who could cut a straight line & cut their hairs for them!
so I hope these ladies of the past has helped us all!

 

[jemjefferson]

Ok Dolls!!

According to these lady's they said that they only washed their hair about ones a week as they had soaps made from lye which as we all know isn't good!they also said that they rinsed with 1/2 c vinegar to 8 oz water bent over the sink or tub and poured it at the base of the neck & let it run into their hair! this not only took out the stink /stench of the oil but it helped to keep the cuticle down!(frizz)

So did they also use this rinse once a week, or more often?

I will try ANYTHING to control my naturally frizzy..err I mean curly hair.

 

[Hestia]

So did they also use this rinse once a week, or more often?

I will try ANYTHING to control my naturally frizzy..err I mean curly hair.

The reason they were using an acid rinse was to neutralize the PH after using an alkaline, soap-based cleanser. It's not necessary after modern shampoos, they are PH balanced anyway.

That said, I sometimes use a much milder vinegar rinse on my hair (1 tablespoon vinegar per cup water), it's enough to get the shiny without the salad-dressing smell. I rinse out the 'rinse', too.

And for the OP- are you sure you're brushing long enough? My set hair usually goes through a crazy bride-of-frankenstein phase... but finally turns to something decent after more brushing. Also could be a setting-pattern thing, but I am no expert there.

 

[HadleyH]

Goodness gracious me!!!!! You end up with Jean Harlows hair???? Lucky you !!! that is NICE! don't you like that hair?

But you want a more tamed hair i understand. I think that as you suggest, you definitely need a finishing cream/pomade/oil , perhaps a bit of hairspray too.

 

[Paisley]

When I was pin curling my hair, I had to use an anti-frizz product (like John Frieda) and conditioner.

 

[C-dot]

Put pomade on your fingers and pull it through your curls - then, brush for a good half hour or 45 minutes. It will look super frizzy and large, but the more you brush the more you will see the deep, smooth waves forming. Its the only way!

These are good threads on fighting frizz:

http://www.thefedoralounge.com/showthread.php?t=36016&highlight=rollers+sets

http://www.thefedoralounge.com/showthread.php?t=45646&highlight=rollers+sets

 

[Miss 1929]

Larger curls will help. More brushing is essential. And if your brush is not pure boar bristle, run out and buy one, any other kind of brush is not going to do the trick. Plastic and nylon bristles tear your hair.

When I had very long hair (hip length), I only washed it once every 10 days to two weeks. I would wash the hairbrush instead! Had two brushes in rotation so it could dry between washings. I used to use coconut oil on my hair, you can get it in health food stores - there's a brand made for hair with gardenia scent, and a real gardenia in the bottle. Again, a little oil goes a long ways.

 

[1*Cool*Kitten]

The reason they were using an acid rinse was to neutralize the PH after using an alkaline, soap-based cleanser. It's not necessary after modern shampoos, they are PH balanced anyway.

That said, I sometimes use a much milder vinegar rinse on my hair (1 tablespoon vinegar per cup water), it's enough to get the shiny without the salad-dressing smell. I rinse out the 'rinse', too.

And for the OP- are you sure you're brushing long enough? My set hair usually goes through a crazy bride-of-frankenstein phase... but finally turns to something decent after more brushing. Also could be a setting-pattern thing, but I am no expert there.

This is absolutly correct! And as mentioned i think that the 1/2 cup was as said rinsed out several times to reduce the "salad dressing" smell!I think that with the amout of products that most people sue such at the auzzie or pantene they have (in my oppinion) a lot of wax! in our shop we say don't use the 3 p's "Pert,Prell,Pantene"[include aussie] also as mentioned they didn't have the areosl hairsprays like we have either so I personally would take a look at a good clearifing treatment at the salon (or beauty school) level or if you can get off the shelf NEXXUS Aloe-Rid that's an excelent clarifier! but the acid risnse is going to do your hair much better even if it's not 1/2 cup cut back to the amount that works for you I'd say 1/4 cup or 1/3cup should do the trick but go with what works for your hair keep adjusting till you come up with a good working formula!

 

[1*Cool*Kitten]

How often!??

So did they also use this rinse once a week, or more often?

I will try ANYTHING to control my naturally frizzy..err I mean curly hair.

Well the one lady said she didn't wash her hair but once a week the other ladies didn't wash for 2 so I would think that you 'd still "have to do your hair up" every other day or maybe less. (Persoanlly, I do a roller set once a week & it lasts all week!so if I don't ge the "do" wet I can go 2 weeks!)it's all about once a week i'm thinkin'!
I'll ask! it'll be another week till i can get back to you![huh]

 

[Antje]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dUgj-BmActE


Try this tutorial

 

[Miss Jess]

I wash my hair once a week, sometimes if I've got a particularly good set going, then I hold off for about 10-12 days. I've got hair down to my shoulder blades, platinum blonde - so letting the natural oil work it's way through my hair is a good thing for me. I DO need to buy a boar bristle brush though! I keep adding little tips/tricks to my hair routine, one at a time, and I've had a pretty positive outcome.

 

[maisie]

Regarding the boar bristle brushes, I have had a look around, and there seems to be two types hard or soft bristles, which one would be the best?
There're also ones with handles and ones without but I suppose that would be up to personal preference .

 

[Marla]

The boar bristle brush I have has very stiff bristles and a wooden base--no plastic at all. At first I was worried that it would be too coarse but it works wonderfully well for smoothing frizz and detangling!

 

[C-dot]

Regarding the boar bristle brushes, I have had a look around, and there seems to be two types hard or soft bristles, which one would be the best?

Soft bristle wont even go through your hair - It's more for extremely fine or baby's hair. Go for the hard bristle. I have both kinds of brushes.

 

[cecil]

Yes I second (third?) the longer brushing time. Brush brush brush!

As has been mentioned, good bristle brushes can be expensive. You don't particularly need one, I've got both at home and I've found that with thick, naturally curly hair, a brush with a RUBBER BASE (for eliminating static and frizz!) and nylon ball-tipped bristles works best for me. The bristle brush doesn't define the waves as well and tends to give me more volume, which is the absolute last thing I need.

Also, SETTING LOTION. Coarse, curly, frizzy, dull hair + Lottabody setting lotion + pincurl set = smooth, wavy, neat, shiny hair.

 

[1*Cool*Kitten]

answers regarding the Boar Bristle brushes

Regarding the boar bristle brushes, I have had a look around, and there seems to be two types hard or soft bristles, which one would be the best?
There're also ones with handles and ones without but I suppose that would be up to personal preference .

The ones with only the woven strap across the butt of the brush is for a MAN they slide the hand face/palm side down onto the back of the crush and run the brush through their hair.
The ones with the handles are for THE LADIES dresserette top. that is the one where you see the lady brushing brushing brushing her hair.ALA any 1940's bedroom scene.or Dressing room scene such as in "here come the waves" with betty hutton or Touch of velvet with Rosalind Russell.

the bristles should only be of the boars hair, no other material in the center of the tuft the reason you want to STAY AWAY form plastic is that #1 it causes static electricity what with today's wall-to-wall carpeted floors, dry climates/air flow, & the damage it [plastic] causes to your cuticle of your hair shaft.(hair ala Jean Harlow,as referenced below.)

Hope this helps.

To the platnuim blonde use the vo5 for grey or platnuim hair types it in the black & silver box at walgrens drug store! (just trying to be a help!)

 

[xitsvivx]

Vinegar rinses can be used in place of conditioners. especially if conditioner is weighing down your hair. Adds shine too.
Rene Furturer makes a good vinegar rinse. All the older women that went to the salon I worked at loved it.
And as for boar brushes.. Mason Pearson has some good ones. Though they are pretty pricey.

 

[jessesgirl08]

how to??

i want this hair i am just getting into dressing vintage 40's and i am currently exparimenting with my hair. but i want this hair.........http://i324.photobucket.com/albums/k322/mmmmandy76/ritaaaaaa.jpg how do i do it? i have tried a few things but my curls are always way too small i need the big wavy curls. how do i get them like the pic? how do i reproduce this style from A to Z.
Thanks,

 

[Inky]

Mason Pearson brushes are pricey but well worth the money - mine is 12 years old now and as good as the day I bought it. I wash it once a month or so to keep it clean.