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    Bill Kelso Westfall in Black Liberty HH

    Just did the measurement on my Wstfall, it is actually 1 inch narrower than your BK jacket Breton, and same measurements as you Aero, NorShor...But still cause that wider cuff effect on me. But considering the measurements given by bretron, this sleeve should looks fine on him, and most of you...
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    Bill Kelso dark seal Liberty horse

    To be fair to BK, we should quote what they said word by word, but just some selective parts. This is it, still not perfect reply, "Roscoe, it is suggested that we take you down and chop your head off for using language. Like I said, we are NOT in the forum business. We do not practice neither...
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    Bill Kelso Westfall in Black Liberty HH

    my westfall comes with a 5.5" wide cuffs, which is wider than yours, but same as Andy's original.
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    Bill Kelso dark seal Liberty horse

    Here's a message from Roscoe/Schitzo, he asked me to pass this here: Message from fb. "Roscoe The-human wishes to issue an unreserved and public apology to Superfluous for his offensive facebook remarks. This is that. I'm very sorry."
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    Bill Kelso Westfall in Black Liberty HH

    I believe there are many people can tell that their jacket do shrunk after HWT, e.g., Breton, he once said he shrunk a GW jacket one size smaller. Back to the cuff, it is not really a mistake, BK made this in their standard size, but it is for people with strong arm and larger hand, I asked my...
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    Bill Kelso Westfall in Black Liberty HH

    Actually, what I did it put the sleeves in the shower (water is about 30 degree) for 5 seconds, wait it half dry and wear it until it dry. The leather became stiff with water, so very easy to develop creases and follow your body shape. If I stretch the sleeve back, the length is about the same...
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    Bill Kelso Westfall in Black Liberty HH

    It does shrank, but not that much, the credit goes to creases I think
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    Bill Kelso Westfall in Black Liberty HH

    The sleeve is too long before HWT, I asked for 23.5 inch. But I forgot to measure it before I did HWT. I prefer the length as it is now. Also, the left sleeve looks OK before HWT because the shape of sleeve is flatted due to packing. The right sleeve tells the true story.
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    Bill Kelso Westfall in Black Liberty HH

    This how it looks like before I did HWT, if you look at the right sleeve, it is actually wider than now. So I'd say the HWT actually makes it better.
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    Bill Kelso Westfall in Black Liberty HH

    Actually HWT has nothing to do with it, I can show you the fit pic before I did the HWT if you want.
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    Bill Kelso dark seal Liberty horse

    BK's response to Schitzo's post is not professional, they should delete it, or not response to it. Actually, Schitzo told me privately (yes, we are friend) that he also think BK should delete his post.
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    Bill Kelso dark seal Liberty horse

    I believe I am very easy to identified.:D
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    Bill Kelso dark seal Liberty horse

    I saw ur post on FB. And some one's guess about the wide sleeves is this, and I think it make sense: the sleeve length favoured by most of us who buy these jackets is over the hand verging on the base of the thumb. But back in 30-50's, maybe these jackets used to be worn with sleeves that sat...
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    Bill Kelso Westfall in Black Liberty HH

    thats not a few, your list basically covers all the major makers.
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    Bill Kelso dark seal Liberty horse

    Than dark seal looks like black to me.
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    Bill Kelso dark seal Liberty horse

    I own both badalassi and liberty. And I agree with you. And I think the black liberty is heavier than others, but still very soft.
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    Bill Kelso dark seal Liberty horse

    Speaking of sleeves, I blame on you Chamboid, one reason I forgot to ask BK to narrow it down is because I saw how Hercules fits on you, the width of sleeve is right on you, so I think it should be fine one me, but it is not. Well, I think we have to agree that the sleeve do looks wide on my jacket.
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    Bill Kelso Westfall in Black Liberty HH

    Same as you, I have thin arm as well, and this might a reason it looks wide on me, and shorten the sleeve might be another one. And the thing is I know this could happen, but I forgot to ask BK to narrow the sleeve.
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    Liberation Now! The BK Liberty HH Thread

    Bret owns one, but he's not sharing his thought!! Come on Bret
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    Liberation Now! The BK Liberty HH Thread

    From my experience, I quite like the Liberty. Its not heavy, easy to wear and full of characters.

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