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Another Luftwaffe jacket maker...

Metatron

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Have you seen these jackets by Dikasoff before?

I like the look of the Luftwaffe jacket and the Soviet Union pilot jacket in black(specialist in bad guy clothing?),
though I don't like Stalin's stupid face on the lining.
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/1939s-Hin...ltDomain_0&hash=item43ac52465f#ht_1077wt_1348

http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/1939s-Sov...ltDomain_0&hash=item43a3c0f699#ht_1307wt_1348

I think the crazy asymmetrical cafe racer looks good too:

http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/gorgeous-..._Outerwear&hash=item43b2e002dc#ht_1276wt_1348
 

Don Tomaso

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At least they didn't put the Swastika on the jacket:). And the machinists have 80 years of experience! Holy cow! Still making jackets at that age!
What a fuming BS. Leather looks cheap anway...
 

majormajor

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And the machinists have 80 years of experience! Holy cow! Still making jackets at that age!
What a fuming BS....

If you have say, 8 machinists, each with 10 years experience, then it is quite normal to express that as a multiple of those two figures - i.e. 80. Not BS at all :D
 

cordwangler

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At least they didn't put the Swastika on the jacket:). And the machinists have 80 years of experience! Holy cow! Still making jackets at that age!

Yes, I agree with the other reply - it's reasonable to add a team's individual years of experience together.*

Leather looks fine to me, like that of most low-price producers. But the styling looks a little rustic to my eyes.

* Rolling Stones should make a virtue of having 200+ years' experience playing music.
 
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You guys should try some of these Ukraine and Russian makers. Lots of them are highly skilled, nice and offer reasonable pricing. And yes, combining a shop's experience is very common.
I've even heard that the Chapman fellow is pushing 80 lol
Just kidding JC.
 

Aerojoe

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I don't understand why a seller want to advertise their products like this, I think it is a scam.

This one is very funny;

http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/1939s-Hind...ht_1077wt_1348

The seller says that it is a 1939's Hindenburg pilot Luftwaffe jacket replica, no less.
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First, the Hindenburg went down in 1937. There wasn't any Hindenburg pilot in 1939. There wasn't any Hindenburg at all.

Next, Zeppelin company never was part of the Luftwaffe. They put a nazi swastika on the tail because the nazi government paid for it, like an advertisement.

Then, Hindenburg crew did have leather coats but they were similar to those so called "u-boat" jackets, that actually were nothing but civilian jackets.

Finally, Luftwaffe issued a very few jackets to pilots. Most of German pilots that had a leather jacket, had civilian jackets. And some of them even A-2s jackets that were taken from downed allied pilots.

The Russian jacket is very laughable too.

http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/1939s-Sov...ltDomain_0&hash=item43a3c0f699#ht_1307wt_1348

I'm pretty sure that this jacket never existed. Some Russian pilots did have leather jackets during wwII, but they were trench coats, similar to the NKVD jacket. Civilian too, BTW.

Russian pilots had to wear heavy flight suits because they froze to hell most of the year at such altitudes in the middle of The Soviet Union then.
 

Metatron

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To be honest I didn't read into the name 'Hindenburg' so much, I'm sure they know what the Hindenburg was, maybe it's a misguided idea to attract more attention to the listing.

I'm more interested in the jacket itself, which at least seems:
1)to feature leather with natural patina
2)to be a reasonably attractive design
3)at reasonable price
 

Aerojoe

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To be honest I didn't read into the name 'Hindenburg' so much, I'm sure they know what the Hindenburg was, maybe it's a misguided idea to attract more attention to the listing.

I'm more interested in the jacket itself, which at least seems:
1)to feature leather with natural patina
2)to be a reasonably attractive design
3)at reasonable price

I have no idea how are these jackets. Maybe they are good. However, by advertising their products like that, this company is turning what it could be otherwise a good product into a scam. I mean, they could just say their jackets are wwII "inspired" and focus in promoting how good is their hides or their craftsmanship.

To be honest, I'd stay away from them. If you liked the first jacket you posted, that it is a bad Hartmann jacket attempt, you'd go better with an ELC;

http://www.eastmanleather.com/product_info.php?products_id=156

There are other makers producing this very same jacket. The Russian pilot jacket didn't even exist.
 

Metatron

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Sure, I see your point, but I'm just examining the potential for a bargain.
The 'Hartmann' jacket was never an officially issued jacket, just one of many similar leather jacket designs popular within that time frame. There isn't such a thing as historical accuracy in the sense that there is for an A2 repro. Just looking for a quality jacket that has the look and fit of the period. I wouldn't want to pay extra for the 'hype' of an Eastman if there is something that meets my needs at a lower price. I would surely get one if I saw it on Aero's sale page!
 

majormajor

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The seller says that it is a 1939's Hindenburg pilot Luftwaffe jacket replica, no less.
First, the Hindenburg went down in 1937. There wasn't any Hindenburg pilot in 1939. There wasn't any Hindenburg at all.

Next, Zeppelin company never was part of the Luftwaffe.

Have a look here.


http://www.wehrmacht-awards.com/uniforms_firearms/uniforms/luft_cufftitles/index.html

Note that the page is entitled "Cufftitles of the LUFTWAFFE - and note also the one bearing the words "Geschwader HINDENBURG"

It is also stated that these were often worn on their "flying blouse"....

So perhaps there was more connection between the two organisations than you imagine, or more likely, there was a squadron (geschwader) simply named after Paul Von Hindenburg.

Also, as you rightly say, many German pilots bought their own jackets. So what is stopping this from being an accurate replica of a genuine individually bought jacket?? :D:D
 
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