Well you effectively said that my thread was "more of the same".
"Was it just another similar post with several other threads happening at the same time... If I'm being honest, then I would say yes it was."
That's what I was respectfully disagreeing with.
I was bringing something completely new to the table. Something that I believe is extremely valuable info to people here.
Once in a blue moon, a thread gets deleted bcause it is inevitably going to kick off, and we'd really rather it didn't.
In the case of Carlos and his Chevy , I felt the HB response was fair. For Jeo, it was piss poor. That’s something people should know going in.
The truth is my worst five star is sewn better, at 1/8 the cost
Well, you're taking select pieces. I also said... "I'm not saying the posts weren't valid or important, but I think it's more an issue of tidying up the posts"
And later said "Whether your thread needed it's own or could have been added to another is splitting hairs and a bit of red herring to be honest. Nonetheless, it needed to be said. But all I'm saying is I could see how some might not want several threads going at the same time on a similar topics."
These were in reference to the possible "excuse" that was being given for removing the thread hence the reference to a red herring. I think it's a BS excuse, obviously because the content could have been preserved and merged into one of the other threads. But at the same time I can understand how it was starting to get overwhelming with multiple threads in a short time span. So was it just a rush to pull the most recent thread for sake of tidiness? Was there more to it? I don't know, but as I've said, no disagreement in what you said or your right to say it. That's why I commented on that thread that Himmel needed to do better. And even if I may quibble about whether you should have started a new thread or just added to the thread about posting bad reviews public, that in no way supports the notion that it should be zapped into oblivion. At worst it should have been merged into whatever thread the admins felt it was most similar to if the tidiness is the issue.
I've seen Jeo's thread and thought hmm strange maybe it was quietly taken cared off through PMs between him and the manufacturer so the OP took down his own thread, didn't think mod took it down and the stitching along the main zip on the leather facing side is obviously wonky and easily get filtered by QC if they want to throw away a thin strip of shinki and replace the facing with another, or do something at least acknowledge it when sending the product to see if the customer is willing to accept it as is or need a fix. in the end everyone is judged by their own claims, talk the talk walk the walk style.
despite the name "forum" they are privately owned, and not a democratic place at heart, sure we can voice our opinions but in the end it is like we are guesses at someone else's open house party.
moderators keeping things in balance since it is also important for the forum to stay alive with many traffics or new member to join to gain adv revenue to keep it free and a leveled playing field to everyone, otherwise they would need donations from members to stay afloat and people who donate get a special something in return and that get downward spiraled.
so my take on this... calm your heart everyone, chill, just say BOOO, and shrug it off... keep it light hearted
Personally what is happening is a TFL deal killer for me.
I am done posting reviews or any information on TFL untill @jeo is allowed to post his thread.
If TFL doesn't want to see the bad reviews, it doesn't get the good reviews from me anymore.
imo mod should give you permission to revive your old thread with a different title, just the name of the jacket, everyone is allowed to review a jacket model, and if in the body of the review the maker is mentioned then it is only normal, or if the review shows wonky stitches, it would not be the first review showing wonky stitches around here . I believe every active member and mods already read this topic, and people who would read and comment in your thread would be these same people, I don't see how it is possible to get any wilder or grow from bush fire into a firestorm.
But yeah, considering how much time I spend on clothes, I can say that clothes are my life. And... I'm fine with that. That's okay.
I DO have a life, I actually come to TFL to escape from it.
With or without emojis, your comment reads very condescending.
Ps: trying to keep it lighthearted too!
With your explanation, mods "preemtive strike" does not seem to me as the scandal it first may have appeared to be. Such actions still require a lot of speculation on the part of the mods as to what kind of post may become so uncivilized as to warrant a preemtive deletion (a bit like "Minority Report" wihtout the oracles...).
I would have thought that a bit more leniency in this specific case would have been better.Just my opinion, of course, and I too am more than happy for the "pro-bono" work you guys are doing for all of us (and in your case specifically the wealth of knowledge on punkrockk London too...!).
yeah, since mods are all active members and we are pretty much all adult here, no active members make thread to troll around , when a thread is flagged by mod for deletion or merging, then the maker of the thread should have been contacted first through PM to learn more about their point of view, or the mod should have posted in the thread not as fellow user but in his role as a moderator and warn posters to play nice and not get too far into bashing, most time all it needs is a reminder, even adults can get too far if carried out by situation or the mood of the conversation, reminder from mod is often enough to tone it down.
It is clear how users feel about the moderation decisions.
Appreciative of their general work and what they help sustain here! Appreciative of their contributions as users!
But that the thread locks and deletions and most of all the lack of transparency and communication surrounding them are unacceptable.
This very well may not be the case, but to users, it looks like the moderation is in cahoots with a vendor. Documentation of a negative experience was erased, and a thread was locked because it took on a critical element. Again, this may not be the case, and I don't think it actually is, but I believe the onus is on the moderation to clear this up.
I think we should all take an eye towards deescalating the situation. There is a longstanding agreement between the moderators and users here! It should be preserved! It is important to build a bridge before the seed of distrust grows, there will be negative consequences otherwise.
I feel the most important challenge we are facing here is the question of whether critical reviews are allowed on the board. Can trusted, longterm users share their unvarnished experiences with makers on here? If so, and if this was an issue of perceived dogpiling or of organization, I am confident that the community can move forwards- let's talk about what happened and learn from it.
If critical reviews are not allowed on here, we're having a different conversation- see the ultimatum above by @Carlos840, undoubtedly one of the forums greatest assets. I wasn't able to read the thread that was deleted. Can the experience @jeo wrote about be posted to TFL? Or is that off-limits? If so, I think users will have to make a choice about whether a site that filters through negatives with certain makers and not others is worth contributing to. We don't want to be in that position!
Again, I have extreme appreciation for the moderation on the site. But please, a unified response to the concerns raised by users today and yesterday would go a long way. We want to know we are being taken seriously!
Help us deescalate this and preserve this glorious online clothing community- nothing about this site should be taken for granted.