Would you rather live then or now?

[missjo]

"Misfortune" is a handy term but it is more useful to look at particular external effects on personal choices when trying to determine what got folks where.

Its much more then that when you grow up in poverty.

Equality of outcomes is a nice idea but it isn't a realistic goal. We would do better to work for an actual equality of opportunity and access so that each individual can maximize themselves to the best of their ability.

Socialism and government care doesnt have to mean people make the same money no matter what they do.
Its not about helping people get more money, its about making sure people have the minimum no matter what their situation is.

 

[carebear]

Its much more then that when you grow up in poverty.



Socialism and government care doesnt have to mean people make the same money no matter what they do.
Its not about helping people get more money, its about making sure people have the minimum no matter what their situation is.

I understand, I just disagree. To my mind there are root causes that socialism can mitigate but not correct. It all comes down to essential world view. The willingness to accept that life isn't fair and there will always be those who have it harder, who suffer and, yes, sometimes die unfairly. The distinction comes down to who's responsibility it is to deal with those few people and to what degree. The overriding concern to my mind is that the treatments be individual enough to not excerbate the problem for others.

I've dragged this thread way off topic, and for that I apologize. For whatever reason I'm tending toward pedantry lately (in a couple threads) and that's not fair to all and sundry. I'll attempt to temper that in the future.

I do respect your opinion missjoeri and on any given day my opinion may swing close to yours. Can we call it "agree to disagree"?

Oh, on topic, I'm still voting "then".

 

[Jack Armstrong]

Well communism never had a change in europe either (or anywhere else)...

Assuming that this is a typo, and that you meant to say "communism never had a chance," I think you should ask the estimated 100,000,000 victims of this sweet and benevolent ideology just how many chances you think it should have been given.

http://www.hawaii.edu/powerkills/COM.ART.HTM

 

[missjo]

Assuming that this is a typo, and that you meant to say "communism never had a chance," I think you should ask the estimated 100,000,000 victims of this sweet and benevolent ideology just how many chances you think it should have been given.

http://www.hawaii.edu/powerkills/COM.ART.HTM

That wasnt communism, that was Stalinism.
Communism is a idealogy that never was actually used by a government in the way it was ment to be used.
The first things the communists wanted in Russia after the revolution was a election, when this didnt work out the way people wanted they started changing things to suit them.
Communism is based on what Marx and Engels wrote, thats the base of the ideals, Stalins idea of communism was completely different.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Communism

 

[carebear]

Communism is a idealogy that never was actually used by a government in the way it was ment to be used.

Communism is based on what Marx and Engels wrote, thats the base of the ideals, Stalins idea of communism was completely different.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Communism

Most of the horrors of Communism's failures occured because they were tried in agrarian socities that did not have the required mass of urban, manufacturing proliteriet.

So am I far off by thinking that, technically, Communism now cannot happen as there is no more urban proliteriet engaged in manufacture, at least in the West?

Trying to force a post-industrial society of manipulators of capital to be good Communists would be, to my mind, as unsuccessful as forcing ignorant peasants to civilize and urbanize in under a decade.

 

[Marc Chevalier]

I'd rather live tomorrow.

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[missjo]

I'd rather live tomorrow.

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If there is one moment in time I dont really look forward to, its the future.

 

[fortworthgal]

I'm a latecomer to this thread, but I think I would prefer to live then, rather than now.

 

[Marc Chevalier]

But if you lived then, you'd probably be dead now

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[fortworthgal]

Not necessarily!