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Baron Kurtz said:Britain, until the 1980s, was a dump
Mr Badger said:Damn straight there, Baron!
I'm 40 and have seen great cultural changes since I was a little kid in the 1970s. It's strange to realise that I'm probably the last generation to leave school and end up working in a factory
Ada Vice said:Call centres are the modern day factories I've heard it said....
Mr Badger said:However, my pre-internet years, many of which I spent working in public libraries, have made me very aware that the one thing missing for the youngsters of today is context. They have no idea of what anything really means to people, in the physical world - it's just another item on a seemingly endless information highway. As someone who's as interested in why people do things as much as what, I feel that the internet and current teaching methods are contributing to a culturally disconnected society...
scottyrocks said:Im not a big fan of technology but I am also not a fan of much of the mindset-ignorance before fairly recent times.
Atticus Finch said:...and I don't much long for the days when cancer, heart disease, strokes and other illnesses any more serious than a hangnail were automatic death sentences.
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scottyrocks said:Yeah, and I was gonna add that my chronic condition (diabetes) would have been in its infancy stages of treatment, insulin being invented in 1921. And given the propensity of low income folk, being one of them I might notve been able to afford it.
Except that a great many callcentre workers have a university education.Ada Vice said:Call centres are the modern day factories I've heard it said....
I think the answer to that is "it depends"! Of course it is hard to see the water you are swimming in. If you sicken with something people always die from, people must have thought it was sad but almost inevitable (I base this on Little Women...) Certainly not as shocking as a death that is sad but preventable. There was a report in the papers a couple of months ago of a man in the UK who died from an infected cavity in his teeth - which I found absolutely appalling. But you can't tell me that people who saw their babies die didn't grieve and didn't think "this isn't fair" or "if only there was something I could do". And we know that there were philanthropists and scientists and idealists who could see that there were better ways of treating people and living, so there must have been some people who could stand aside from their society and say objectively "this is bad".Big Man said:However, for the sake of discussion, how bad were the "bad" things of the past viewed by people of the past in the past?
Puzzicato said:I think the answer to that is "it depends"! Of course it is hard to see the water you are swimming in. If you sicken with something people always die from, people must have thought it was sad but almost inevitable (I base this on Little Women...) Certainly not as shocking as a death that is sad but preventable. There was a report in the papers a couple of months ago of a man in the UK who died from an infected cavity in his teeth - which I found absolutely appalling. But you can't tell me that people who saw their babies die didn't grieve and didn't think "this isn't fair" or "if only there was something I could do". And we know that there were philanthropists and scientists and idealists who could see that there were better ways of treating people and living, so there must have been some people who could stand aside from their society and say objectively "this is bad".
Big Man said:We all talk about how nice it would be to go back, but without the "bad" of then and take the "good" of today. However, for the sake of discussion, how bad were the "bad" things of the past viewed by people of the past in the past?
Ok, that may be a bit of a complicated question. I guess what I'm trying to say is we tend to view the "bad" of the past relative to the standards, improvements, technology, and conveniences of today. Will people 80 or so years into the future look back on our present time and say, "things were sure bad in 2010"?
How much of past "bad" is relevant to the "good" of the present, and will some of what we see as "good" now be viewed as "bad" in the future?
JimWagner said:I think most people who want to live in the past want to live in a movie set in an idealized past, not the actual past.
JimWagner said:I think most people who want to live in the past want to live in a movie set in an idealized past, not the actual past.
Big Man said:How much of past "bad" is relevant to the "good" of the present, and will some of what we see as "good" now be viewed as "bad" in the future?