Whatever happened to "coat and tie required"?

[Marc Chevalier]

I'd like to pose the question, what are we teaching our children?

Good question. I'm teaching my 9 month-old child to crawl and to pull a blanket away from my face.


But seriously: it's even worse than you say. Some parents are 'teaching' by omission. Their kids have NO table manners at restaurants because the PARENTS don't either ... and these parents can't or won't teach what they don't practice themselves.


I once had lunch at Harry's Bar in Venice, Italy -- it hardly gets "swankier" (or more expensive) than that. Sitting at the table next to me was a Russian family with far more wealth than class. I could live with the sight of their Versace track suits and sneakers; what killed me was the open-mouthed, bovine way they wolfed down their $300-per-person cuisine.


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[Carlisle Blues]

Well, no wonder they wouldn't let him in.


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lol lol lol lol lol lol lol

 

[Sefton]

Well, no wonder they wouldn't let him in.


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When I read that typo I seemed to hear a voice saying; "Calling Mr.Chevalier, Mr.Chevalier to the white courtesy keyboard please..." I knew you wouldn't let me down.

 

[Lincsong]

Good question. I'm teaching my 9 month-old child to crawl and to pull a blanket away from my face.


But seriously: it's even worse than you say. Some parents are 'teaching' by omission. Their kids have NO table manners at restaurants because the PARENTS don't either ... and these parents can't or won't teach what they don't practice themselves.


I once had lunch at Harry's Bar in Venice, Italy -- it hardly gets "swankier" (or more expensive) than that. Sitting at the table next to me was a Russian family with far more wealth than class. I could live with the sight of their Versace track suits and sneakers; what killed me was the open-mouthed, bovine chewing of their $300-per-person cuisine.


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I've noticed a couple restaurants where the business requests no children under age 5 or 6. What is also disgusting is when the parents change the diapers in front of everyone. Take them into the backroom!:rage:

 

[Dewhurst]

I've noticed a couple restaurants where the business requests no children under age 5 or 6. What is also disgusting is when the parents change the diapers in front of everyone. Take them into the backroom!:rage:

Well there's a health hazard in waiting? Some people have no common sense.

It is a wonder they managed to have children at all.

 

[Geesie]

Well there's a health hazard in waiting? Some people have no common sense.

It is a wonder they managed to have children at all.

I think that for those lacking common sense, managing to have children is a lot easier than managing not to...

 

[Solid Citizen]

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I think that for those lacking common sense, managing to have children is a lot easier than managing not to...

Watch Parents lacking common sense managing THE children! Solid Citizen [huh]

 

[Marc Chevalier]

I've met some Loungers whose table manners are pretty awful. (Not naming names, for obvious reasons.)

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[avedwards]

I've met some Loungers whose table manners are pretty awful. (Not naming names, for obvious reasons.)

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I hope mine aren't too bad, at least my parents did make an effort to teach me the correct ones. My father still now reminds me of etiquette in general when I forget, such as taking my hat off inside.

How about letting you be the judge of whether my parenting has paid off? Should you ever visit my part of England I'll invite you to a restaurant.

 

[Dewhurst]

I think that for those lacking common sense, managing to have children is a lot easier than managing not to...

You may be right. I think we can all think of a few examples of this from our own acquaintances, never mind the media.

 

[John in Covina]

I have a term for the type of parents that let their children run rampant in stores, restaurants and pretty much where ever they might be. It seems that they the parents have taken a vow not to interfere with their children, I refered to them as Prime Directive Parents as in the Star Trek notion of Prime Directive with other less advanced civilizations.

When you see such parents with the rampaging horde of brats at their heels, remember the Prime Directive.

 

[Paisley]

I always thought of it as laissez faire parenting (literally, "let do").

 

[Viola]

I always find it hilarious when parents combine the believing their child is the most brilliant thing ever with believing he can't possibly UNDERSTAND at his age and its so cruel to expect him to.

I see a lot of people who yammer on about how gifted their kid is but then say "but you can't expect him to sit still/be quiet/not throw things, he's a kid..." when it's like "lady, he's TEN YEARS OLD..."

 

[John in Covina]

I can remember as a kid from the ages of about 5 to about 12 years old, if my brother (6-1/2 years older) and I got too loud, just a look from my dad would usually stop the ballyhoo.

If not, then a word from Dad.

But if I was involved with some shennanagins with my brother (usually a set up instigated by my brother to get me in trouble) my dad would give me a flick of the middle figer to either an ear or the top of the head as the attention getter and I knew I was skating on thin ice.

My mom said that most often she was complimented on how well behaved we were.

Dining out, when I was little was really an infrequent treat, not part of the household budget very often. We wore our Sunday best. I recall the little boys suits with the shorts as my wardrobe early on.

Anybody ever hear of Gill Clark's Restaurant in Bayshore? That's where we went for Lobster when I was a tyke.

 

[KY Gentleman]

Back to dress codes....There is a two or three block section of Downtown Louisville where pretty strict dress codes are enforced. Its not jacket and tie but it does not allow sports jerseys, baseball caps, t-shirts, etc. The reason being all the clubs and restuarants there have agreed to it and signed a lease with a management group that enforces it. You have to pass security guards to access the area and they regularly turn people away who don't comply.
It was challenged at first by several groups but the management company has pravailed. It makes for a more comfortable atmosphere when you want a night out I think.

 

[John in Covina]

It's an amazing thing how much the attitude of so many people changes when they are dressed up. Well dressed riffraff is a rarity, I guess.

 

[Big Man]

Coat and tie required ...

I'd like to share a rather funny story about "coat and tie required" that took place sometime around 1968 or 1970.

My father and I were visiting my uncle in Hendersonville, NC. He wanted to take us out for lunch at the country club. The country club had a "coat and tie required" rule, but neither my father nor I were wearing a coat and tie. That wouldn't be a problem, said my uncle, as the country club had "loaner" coats and ties for guests of members who needed them.

The thing was, my dad was a very big man (like I am now). He stood 6' - 7" and weighed around 320 lbs. They provided him with a coat and tie, but he looked like the Incredible Hulk wearing what they gave him. The jacket was about five sizes too small and the tie only came half way down his shirt. The outfit looked ridiculous!

The funny thing was, the club allowed us to eat there wearing the very ill fitting coat and tie, but would not allow us to even enter without a coat and tie. sometimes "rules" just don't make a lot of sense. [huh]

We had a great time, though, and laughed about that scene for years and years. I still get a smile on my face thinking about how funny my dad looked in that loaner coat and tie.

 

[lady eel]

the Magic Castle in Hollywood has a dress code, I think they also have loaner jackets, I also think those are white, hehehe
I LOVE dressing up and going there

Dress Code

Before you come to the Magic Castle, we would like you to know about our club rules:

Dress Code is STRICTLY ENFORCED and NO ONE UNDER 21 is admitted.

The Magic Castle has a strict dress code for evening guests:

Men
Men must be in coat and tie (standard or bow tie)
Exceptions to the "tie rule" are: turtlenecks, bolo ties, ascots, jeweled collars, ruffled collars and banded collars.
Military Dress, ethnic and/or religious attire will also be allowed.
No zippered jackets, outdoor jackets, polo shirts, t-shirts, denim (or colored denim), shorts, sandals, flip flops, sneakers or sneaker-like shoes are allowed.
Leather jackets (with buttons) and leather pants are allowed.
No casual attire will be allowed. Think business attire!
Women

Women must be in a dress, cocktail dress, elegant skirt & blouse combination, pant suit with a matching jacket (think business suit), or evening pant suit ensemble.
Military Dress, ethnic and/or religious attire will also be allowed.
No outdoor or zippered jackets, polo shirts, denim (or colored denim), Capri pants, shorts, skorts, flip flops, sneakers or sneaker-like shoes are allowed.
No casual or inappropriate attire will be allowed. Think elegant attire!

Dresscode for Friday Lunch, Saturday & Sunday Brunch:

Men, Women & Children

Think "Smart Casual"!
No shorts, tank tops, sandals, or flip flops are allowed.
No inappropriate attire will be allowed.
If you have any questions about the dress code, please call the Castle before you make your visit. Guests who do not meet the dress code or minimum age requirement will not be admitted to the club.

 

[Lincsong]

I wonder if Disneyland still has a coat and tie requirement for Senior Grad Nights?

 

[Lady Jessica]

I wonder if Disneyland still has a coat and tie requirement for Senior Grad Nights?

I sure hope so! That's MY grad night this year, and I must say, I'm thrilled. I hope they make us dress fancy.